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Old 05-08-2013, 04:19 PM   #31
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Default Re: Does Serge Ibaka have any post moves at all?

he has some game but he has ZERO playmaking ability at all.
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Old 05-08-2013, 04:42 PM   #32
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Default Re: Does Serge Ibaka have any post moves at all?

For those who are laughing at the suggestion that Serge play against/train with Dream

go back and look at how RAW Olajuwon was when he played at the Univ. of Houston


He credits the open runs that he played against Pro players for kicking his ass and forcing him to develop his game....Moses Malone personally beat his ass and forced him to adapt. When you look at his mentor...you see that Dream's game isn't patterned after him..except for the relentlessness

Serge has some of Dream's physical skills and I'm assuming that he has the same lateral quickness that most guys who grow up playing soccer do.

He won't become Olajuwon but it makes more sense for person with his body/skills to train with him rather than some of the names that have.

And remember Serge was in the dunk contest the year it was a sideshow..and he's more athletic than you think...Otis Thorpe? hahahahah F that bootleg denzel washington dude
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Default Re: Does Serge Ibaka have any post moves at all?

Perkins deserves most of the criticism among the OKC bigs, but Ibaka has been a no-show.

How does a dude that athletic not have at least one move where he does a simple post, turn and shoot?
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Default Re: Does Serge Ibaka have any post moves at all?

His postgame isn't that bad, he just never uses it.
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Old 05-08-2013, 05:42 PM   #35
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Default Re: Does Serge Ibaka have any post moves at all?

He can hit wide open jumpers... which he isn't getting without Westbrook on the court.


The problem with posting these days, is you have to be a good passer as well, because it's easy to double. So, Ibaka could develop a high % post move, but if he actually used it effectively, he would get doubled, and would have to rely on his passing skills. It's the same problem Dwight had posting for the Lakers this season. He can score at a high % from the post, but he isn't a great passer, and is easily forced into turnovers when doubled. The Magic surrounded Dwight with 4 shooters, making it so he didn't have to pass as much from the post, and had more room to operate.

Pounding the post on offense for an extended period of time doesn't exist in the NBA anymore. It's simply not an efficient way to score with the current rules. You're better off just ISOing on the perimeter, and jumping into defenders to get FT's.
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Default Re: Does Serge Ibaka have any post moves at all?

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Serge getting double teamed in the post is a problem the Thunder WISHES they had


but the way the team is configured....if he establishes post position on same side of the court as Durant..he will never see a double team ever..
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Default Re: Does Serge Ibaka have any post moves at all?

I'm not saying having a post game is bad, it just isn't as effective or efficient as it used to be, and relies on the post player to also be an effective passer from the double.


And teams can, and will, double from everywhere on the court. They don't have to wait for post player to get the ball, so teams are able to double from anywhere on the court, and still recover. You hear it referred to these days as defensive players being "on a string". It's essentially a matchup zone that allows teams to double anywhere on the court and still cover shooters. The Heat are the best in the league at it, and it allows them to play guys like Battier at the 4 spot, and Bosh at the 5 spot.
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Default Re: Does Serge Ibaka have any post moves at all?

He should attend Hakeem's camp. Look at what it did to Dwight and JaVale's post game!
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Default Re: Does Serge Ibaka have any post moves at all?

Ibaka has had a bad series, but no one on that team sucks more than Perkins.

$10 million. Dude gets $10 million to do what a bench player making the veteran's minimum could do.

$10 Million. There are back-up centers in the leage that have more positive impact on a game than Perkins. Nazr Muhammed had defining plays in that Nets series that swayed the win in the Bulls favor. Perkins has had defining plays, year after year, that ultimately waste possessions for the Thunder in the post-season.

The worst part is, guy tries extra hard to show he can make fancy plays, like a no look past, and then he passes the ball right to a player on the opposing team which leads to quick 2 points on the fastbreak.

Dude is just...idiotically bad. $10 million Sam Presti. $10 million
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