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Old 05-08-2013, 02:14 PM   #61
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Yeah...cause it's that simple. Mo Williams = Pau Gasol.

Sure, Mo Williams and Antwan Jamison weren't superstar co-runners and the Cavs roster didn't look great on paper outside of LeBron, but they were always a top defensive and top rebounding team under Mike Brown and in LeBron's last two years, one of the top 3 point shooting teams. They assembled a well built team with appropriate pieces that fit and complimented Lebron's game, strengths and playing style.

It's pretty much the same formula in Miami: surround LeBron with shooters and hustlers, scrappy defenders/rebounders, guys that don't need the ball in their hands to be productive and let LeBron control the offense. Only (and big) difference is he has another superstar who can get his own shot anytime in Wade and not to mention a stretch 4 who was the face of a franchise that would be the best player on most other teams in the league and is a freaking 3rd option.

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Old 05-08-2013, 02:21 PM   #62
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Sure, Mo Williams and Antwan Jamison weren't superstar co-runners and the Cavs roster didn't look great on paper outside of LeBron, but they were always but they were always a top defensive and top rebounding team under Mike Brown and in LeBron's last two years, one of the top 3 point shooting teams. They assembled a well built team with appropriate pieces that fit and complimented Lebron's game, strengths and playing style.

It's pretty much the same formula in Miami: surround LeBron with shooters and hustlers, scrappy defenders/rebounders, guys that don't need the ball in their hands to be productive and let LeBron control the offense. Only (and big) difference is he has another superstar who can get his own shot anytime in Wade and not to mention a stretch 4 who was the face of a franchise that would be the best player on most other teams in the league and is a freaking 3rd option.
Which is HUGE in the playoffs.
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Old 05-08-2013, 02:24 PM   #63
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Sure, Mo Williams and Antwan Jamison weren't superstar co-runners and the Cavs roster didn't look great on paper outside of LeBron, but they were always but they were always a top defensive and top rebounding team under Mike Brown and in LeBron's last two years, one of the top 3 point shooting teams. They assembled a well built team with appropriate pieces that fit and complimented Lebron's game, strengths and playing style.

It's pretty much the same formula in Miami: surround LeBron with shooters and hustlers, scrappy defenders/rebounders, guys that don't need the ball in their hands to be productive and let LeBron control the offense. Only (and big) difference is he has another superstar who can get his own shot anytime in Wade and not to mention a stretch 4 who was the face of a franchise that would be the best player on most other teams in the league and is a freaking 3rd option.

Lol they actually have a real system in Miami instead of LeBron iso at the top of the key. Come on now man. And Also, Mo Williams wasn't even considered at All-Star let alone a superstar lol.
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Old 05-08-2013, 02:26 PM   #64
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Lakers had 2 allstars....Cavs had 2 allstars.....

Cavs had a much better bench so once again...



April 2013

When did Cavs have two all-stars? Oh you mean after 2-3 players got injured before All-star weekend and Mo finally got the call?





Dumb Kobe stan.

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he's a better scorer/shooter than Mo Williams, they both are pretty useless on defense....I'll take Kevin Martin


I'd take Kevin Martin, it was frustrating as **** to watch Mo play most nights because he was so inconsistent. K-Mart doesn't do anything else besides score but at least he's consistent. Averaging 14-15ppg as a 3rd option is nothing to sneeze at even at this point in his career.
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I'd take Kevin Martin, it was frustrating as **** to watch Mo play most nights because he was so inconsistent. K-Mart doesn't do anything else besides score but at least he's consistent. Averaging 14-15ppg as a 3rd option is nothing to sneeze at even at this point in his career.
Well, at least you've confirmed you haven't been watching any OKC playoff games. And hell, he wasn't all that consistent the second half of the season either.
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You're right, statistically-wise Mo was slightly better.

As much as LeBron fan boys like to disparage him, if you watched him in Milwaukee Mo was much more than a stationery catch and shoot jump shooter...but that's what LeBron (and Mike Brown's system) made him, he actually scored and assisted more than he did in Cleveland (partly because LeBron is so ball-dominant, he needs the ball in his hands to dominate, especially in the half court) Jamison was averaging 20 a game on 45-46% shooting for 10 straight years, but suddenly in Cleveland he forgot how to score and was a scrub?

It goes on and on...


It just amazes me that after a series loss to Boston (a team that was 5 points from the title) every guy expect for LeBron that was on what was believed to be the best and deepest team in the league was then considered to be a worthless scrub,
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Durant's trying to flop OKC into the Finals.
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Well, at least you've confirmed you haven't been watching any OKC playoff games. And hell, he wasn't all that consistent the second half of the season either.

I've already acknowledged they've been underperforming as of late but by no means from just a raw talent stand point are they worse than the former Cavs squads. You take LeBron off that team and they automatically drop to the lottery. There's still evidence of how shitty that squad was from the day he left until now even with Kyrie on that team.

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It just amazes me that after a series loss to Boston (a team that was 5 points from the title) every guy expect for LeBron that was on what was believed to be the best and deepest team in the league was then considered to be a worthless scrub,
It showed the following year when he left ... these guys collectively became the worst team in the league.

Inrefutable proof that no amount of smiley faces can deny.
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I've already acknowledged they've been underperforming as of late but by no means from just a raw talent stand point are they worse than the former Cavs squads. You take LeBron off that team and they automatically drop to the lottery. There's still evidence of how shitty that squad was from the day he left until now.
And where the hell do you think this team is if you remove Durant? And I mean the team right now, without Westbrook, too. They're sure as hell not a playoff team. They might be one of the 5 worst teams in the league.

And a team having more raw talent doesn't mean they're better. And the only player that gives OKC the "raw talent" advantage is a 23 year old with a very raw offensive game who feeds off the one player on the team that's out for the rest of the year.
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And where the hell do you think this team is if you remove Durant? And I mean the team right now, without Westbrook, too. They're sure as hell not a playoff team. They might be one of the 5 worst teams in the league.

And a team having more raw talent doesn't mean they're better. And the only player that gives OKC the "raw talent" advantage is a 23 year old with a very raw offensive game who feeds off the one player on the team that's out for the rest of the year.

Pretty sure with guys like Ibaka, Perk, Reg Jackson, K-Mart, Thabo, Collison, they might be a borderline 8th seed in the west rather than a definite lottery team like the Cavs after LeBron left.

I'm not sure why you're reaching so far to try to prove that this Thunder team is just as bad or worse than those Cavs squad because to me, it's quite obvious just like how KD isn't as good as LeBron in the sense that he doesn't impact every single play defense or offense.
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It showed the following year when he left ... these guys collectively became the worst team in the league.

Inrefutable proof that no amount of smiley faces can deny.
No, it's not "inrefutable" proof, because it wasn't the same team sans-LeBron in 2011. And inrefutable isn't a word.

Mo Williams got traded before the deadline; Antawn missed around 20 games; Shaq was gone; Delonte was gone; and Varejao missed like 50 games.

The only main playoff contributor from 2010 that played almost the whole season in 2011 was Anthony Parker was was in his mid-30's and I'm pretty sure that was his last season in the NBA.
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Pretty sure with guys like Ibaka, Perk, Reg Jackson, K-Mart, Thabo, Collison, they might be a borderline 8th seed in the west rather than a definite lottery team like the Cavs after LeBron left.
Yeah, we're done here. You've clearly proven you're clueless.

Ibaka, Perk, Reggie Jackson, Kevin Martin, Thabo, and Collison would be a "borderline 8th seed in the West" where it would take 45+ wins most years to get the 8-seed.
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It showed the following year when he left ... these guys collectively became the worst team in the league.

Inrefutable proof that no amount of smiley faces can deny.

This is disingenuous. That Cavs team that lost 26 straight games had starting line ups during the year of Alonzo Gee/JJ Hickson/Anthony Parker/Ramon Sessions/Samardo Samuels and Christian Eyenga/JJ Hickson/Anthony Parker/Antawn Jamison/Manny Harris and Byron Scott as the head coach. How is that any reflection of LeBron James or the 2010 Cavs? Please explain this rationale.

The team the following year was riddled with injuries. Not to mention the loss of Shaq and Big Z, they would been a significant improvement over the undersized front court they had. They didn't even have a legitimate replacement for LeBron. And aside from losing LeBron the team was without the previous year starting center, backup center and combo-guard playmaker off the bench.

Even the 2011 Cavs when healthy had a ready made team for a superstar. Shooters, and hustlers, all that was missing was a player get their own shot or create their own offense. That was their problem. They basically assembled a team that was catered to LeBrons strengths and playing style or any superstar wing for that matter.

Also it's actually not uncommon that a team will struggle without their star player. In 1997 the Spurs were a lottery team without David Robinson. Look at the Magic without Dwight Howard IMO. The problem isn't solely because of LeBron leaving. It's the team they built, they were pretty much a one man show on offense. Similar to the 2001 Sixers with Iverson. That doesn't mean they were playing with a bunch of bums, it was just the team they built around them. The Cavs plan was clear. Surround LeBron with defenders/rebounders, shooters and hustlers, guys that don't need the ball in their hands to be productive.
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