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    well well well Mr. Jabbar's Avatar
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    Exclamation Is it a coincidence? (Pau, Odom, Bynum)

    All of them, considered by lebron(*) stans to be the ones "carrying" kobe through the 2009/2011 chips, have proven they are either scrubs, mental mdigets, underachievers or all of the above when they have played without kobe.

    So tell me, is this just a bizarre coincidence?

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    Default Re: Is it a coincidence? (Pau, Odom, Bynum)

    lets add to that list guys like Smush, Farmer, Sasha who couldn't even stay in the league once away from the aura of the mamba

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    Default Re: Is it a coincidence? (Pau, Odom, Bynum)

    Quote Originally Posted by STATUTORY
    lets add to that list guys like Smush, Farmer, Sasha who couldn't even stay in the league once away from the aura of the mamba

    exactly. I consider Fisher the best player (not named shaq) on his own merits to have ever played with kobe

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    Default Re: Is it a coincidence? (Pau, Odom, Bynum)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Jabbar
    All of them, considered by lebron(*) stans to be the ones "carrying" kobe through the 2009/2011 chips, have proven they are either scrubs, mental mdigets, underachievers or all of the above when they have played without kobe.

    So tell me, is this just a bizarre coincidence?
    Both Odom and Gasol were already awesome players without Kobe. Bynum hasn't played a game yet without Kobe so we just don't know.

    21/10/3
    17/10/4

    What are the above numbers you ask? You guessed it...the averages of Gasol and Odom the year before they both joined the Lakers.

    But yea...they are nothing without Kobe.

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    Default Re: Is it a coincidence? (Pau, Odom, Bynum)

    People look at the 2010 finals and the past three years when kobe was kind of in chuck mode to base their entire view of him as a player on.

    But kobe actually worked with those guys and Lakers had a great system set up.

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    Default Re: Is it a coincidence? (Pau, Odom, Bynum)

    Quote Originally Posted by DMAVS41
    Both Odom and Gasol were already awesome players without Kobe. Bynum hasn't played a game yet without Kobe so we just don't know.

    21/10/3
    17/10/4

    What are the above numbers you ask? You guessed it...the averages of Gasol and Odom the year before they both joined the Lakers.

    But yea...they are nothing without Kobe.
    numbers dont mean much without context, what were they fighting for? gasol was 0-12 in playoffs games without kobe, thats 3 SWEEPS in a row, now you can add another one for 0-16, thats a far more telling number if you ask me...ok, mem was a bad team with pau as a whole, but not able to win 1 game?

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    Default Re: Is it a coincidence? (Pau, Odom, Bynum)

    Quote Originally Posted by DMAVS41
    Both Odom and Gasol were already awesome players without Kobe. Bynum hasn't played a game yet without Kobe so we just don't know.

    21/10/3
    17/10/4

    What are the above numbers you ask? You guessed it...the averages of Gasol and Odom the year before they both joined the Lakers.

    But yea...they are nothing without Kobe.
    Chris Bosh put up 24/11 before joining Heat and he is the 3rd option

    putting shit in perspective

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    Default Re: Is it a coincidence? (Pau, Odom, Bynum)

    Quote Originally Posted by STATUTORY
    Chris Bosh put up 24/11 before joining Heat and he is the 3rd option

    putting shit in perspective

    dat ether

    i think dmavs is well aware of this though, he sees the heat team as overly stacked

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    Default Re: Is it a coincidence? (Pau, Odom, Bynum)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Jabbar
    numbers dont mean much without context, what were they fighting for? gasol was 0-12 in playoffs games without kobe, thats 3 SWEEPS in a row, now you can add another one for 0-16, thats a far more telling number if you ask me...ok, mem was a bad team with pau as a whole, but not able to win 1 game?
    Those Memphis teams weren't all that good, just slightly above-average teams. And Lamar Odom was on a Miami Heat team that made it to the 2nd round. So these two were already putting up good numbers on playoff teams prior to playing with Kobe.

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    Default Re: Is it a coincidence? (Pau, Odom, Bynum)

    Quote Originally Posted by STATUTORY
    lets add to that list guys like Smush, Farmer, Sasha who couldn't even stay in the league once away from the aura of the mamba

    Both Farmar and Sasha left the NBA because of the lockout... Both played well in backup roles for NJ...Farmar was actually pretty good when he was able to start for the team...

    What did Kobe do before Pau , Bynum, and Fish got to LA? Didn't make the playoffs and a couple of first round exits..


    WHAT OTHER SUPERSTAR HAS LOST A SERIES AFTER THEY WERE UP 3-1?


    HAS ANY TOP 10 PLAYER ALL TIME HAD THAT HAPPEN TO THEM? Just asking

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    Default Re: Is it a coincidence? (Pau, Odom, Bynum)

    Pau was considered the best big man in the game the year they won their chip in 2009 and 2010. Lamar was 6th man of the year before he got traded and Bynum was considered the 2nd best big man in the league before he got shipped off to Philly.

    During their times they were great players but they've fallen off since, it has no correlation to Kobe other than the fact that they played together. It's disrespectful as hell to discredit these guys that were MAJOR pieces in getting the chip, not saying they completely carried Kobe though. OKC had to pick up Perkins and Ibaka to compete against Lamar/Gasol/Bynum so that has to account for something.

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    Default Re: Is it a coincidence? (Pau, Odom, Bynum)

    Just read this, and you will see who carried who

    http://www.behindthebasket.com/btb/2...be-bryant.html

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    Default Re: Is it a coincidence? (Pau, Odom, Bynum)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Jabbar
    numbers dont mean much without context, what were they fighting for? gasol was 0-12 in playoffs games without kobe, thats 3 SWEEPS in a row, now you can add another one for 0-16, thats a far more telling number if you ask me...ok, mem was a bad team with pau as a whole, but not able to win 1 game?
    What is that supposed to prove? That Gasol as a number 1 option isn't good enough to have success in the playoffs on average teams? Ok.

    And the point being? Nobody ever said Gasol was a championship first option. Nobody ever said Odom was anything other than a really good 3rd option on a title winning team.

    Again...point?

    Gasol was a top 15 or so player in the league before he joined the Lakers. Odom was a very good role player capable of doing many different things on both ends really well.

    Kobe did not make them. Which is what this thread is implying. What he did...was allow them to win titles. Just like those guys allowed Kobe to win titles.

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    Default Re: Is it a coincidence? (Pau, Odom, Bynum)

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Jabbar
    dat ether

    i think dmavs is well aware of this though, he sees the heat team as overly stacked
    how is that ether?

    who said Lebron made Bosh? I don't follow this it all.

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    Default Re: Is it a coincidence? (Pau, Odom, Bynum)

    Quote Originally Posted by Nashty
    Just read this, and you will see who carried who

    http://www.behindthebasket.com/btb/2...be-bryant.html

    Watching the games >>>>>> reading about them years later

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