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Old 04-24-2013, 11:04 AM   #31
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Alex English is known as a product of the fast paced Doug Moe system in Denver. His numbers were completely inflated. He was barely a 20 ppg scorer in his physical prime.



Are you guys fcking retarded or just trolling? Anyone who knows about NBA history knows that the numbers from the Nuggets back at that time were completely inflated.

What are you gonna tell me next? Michael Adams put up a legit 26 ppg/10 apg season, and is one of the great pgs of all time?
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:05 AM   #32
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Melo is already a better player than Alex English, and will have much better playoff runs in his future. He's only 28, and 7 months older than Lebron. He's got a lot of time left. Alex English started making the playoffs consistently at 28.



Imagine if you made this thread about Paul Pierce when he was 28. It would be an epic bump with people calling him a career loser at that time.


Dude...I barely remember Alex english in his prime. I suspect you dont. Especially since it seems the first thing you did was go to basketball reference and notice his age to the left.

What do you really know about him to base the opinion that hes worse than melo on?

I dont care that you think it. Not like one is 3 levels up from the other.

I just want you to tell me something about basketball that makes you believe it.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:09 AM   #33
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Dude...I barely remember Alex english in his prime. I suspect you dont. Especially since it seems the first thing you did was go to basketball reference and notice his age to the left.

What do you really know about him to base the opinion that hes worse than melo on?

I dont care that you think it. Not like one is 3 levels up from the other.

I just want you to tell me something about basketball that makes you believe it.


I've been watching the NBA since 1986. I know enough about what Alex English was at that time, which was his prime.
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Old 04-24-2013, 11:11 AM   #34
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Alex English is known as a product of the fast paced Doug Moe system in Denver. His numbers were completely inflated. He was barely a 20 ppg scorer in his physical prime.

He also had to share the scoring load with several other big scorers over the years or else he might have put up even bigger numbers.
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Dantley and English are very high on the list. Are they top 50?



You can if there are other high scoring small forwards in the top 50 but is there?

Dantley & English should be hovering around #50.

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So...you arent going to give me anything about basketball then?

Just call him a product of the speed his team played. I suppose the same is true of Magic, KJ, Mullin/Timmy, Gervin, mid 80s Isiah, peak Bird, and so on as well? All those guys who had teams in the 114-122ppg range. Or we limiting this to Alex?
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He also had to share the scoring load with several other big scorers over the years or else he might have put up even bigger numbers.


Who? Fat Lever? They fcking pushed the ball up the court every possession and took as many shots as humanly possible. The offense was a complete gimmick. Everyone had inflated stats. The biggest beneficiary was Alex English.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NBA_50th_Anniversary_Team

Not that I agree with this list but none of them made it.
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Who? Fat Lever? They fcking pushed the ball up the court every possession and took as many shots as humanly possible. The offense was a complete gimmick. Everyone had inflated stats. The biggest beneficiary was Alex English.

Issel, Thompson, Vandeweghe...
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So...you arent going to give me anything about basketball then?

Just call him a product of the speed his team played. I suppose the same is true of Magic, KJ, Mullin/Timmy, Gervin, mid 80s Isiah, peak Bird, and so on as well? All those guys who had teams in the 114-122ppg range. Or we limiting this to Alex?


Yes, some of those guys stats are somewhat inflated by fast paced offenses.

But none of them ran offenses like Doug Moe. In his offense, it was basically pass pass shoot. No matter who was in front of you, just shoot. Even if it's a bad shot. Just shoot.
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Stupid ass OP. I bet this guy can't even name 50 players better than Carmelo Anthony.
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1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Bill Russell
5. Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
6. Larry Bird
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Tim Duncan
9. Kobe Bryant
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. LeBron James
12. Oscar Robertson
13. Moses Malone
14. Jerry West
15. Julius Erving
16. Moses Malone
17. Elgin Baylor
18. Bob Pettit
19. John Havlicek
20. Karl Malone
21. George Mikan
22. David Robinson
23. Isiah Thomas
24. Charles Barkley
25. Kevin Garnett
26. Dirk Nowitzki
27. John Stockton
28. Rick Barry
29. Scottie Pippen
30. Dwyane Wade
31. Bob Cousy
32. Clyde Drexler
33. Gary Payton
34. Willis Reed
35. Patrick Ewing
36. Allen Iverson
37. Walt Frazier
38. Elvin Hayes
39. George Gervin
40. Jason Kidd
41. Dave Cowens
42. Bob McAdoo
43. Nate Thurmond
44. Wes Unseld
45. Kevin McHale
46. Dolph Schayes
47. Dominique Wilkins
48. Bill Walton
49. Steve Nash
50. Dennis Rodman


Thats how i look at it, you may change the order at your liking but those definitely are the 50 best. Guess i couldnt find a place for Dantley, English afterall. But they are definitely exactly there, 51... 52.. Paul Pierce (he probably deserves to replace somebody here, hm)... Billy Cunningham and so on... its tough...

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Yes, some of those guys stats are somewhat inflated by fast paced offenses.

But none of them ran offenses like Doug Moe. In his offense, it was basically pass pass shoot. No matter who was in front of you, just shoot. Even if it's a bad shot. Just shoot.

And he put up 3 1/2 to 5 + assists a game with all that shooting.

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48. Bill Walton
49. Steve Nash
50. Dennis Rodman


Thats how i look at it, you may change the order at your liking but those definitely are the 50 best. Guess i couldnt find a place for Dantley, English afterall.

Dominique is comparable to the others. He just had more hype like Carmelo.
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Let's also not forget the 1980s Western Conference was pretty much a complete joke, except for the Lakers, Rockets, and Blazers. This is where English made his career.


Compare that to the 2000s Western Conference, which is arguably the most competitive conference top to bottom, that the NBA has ever seen. This is where Melo made his career, and made the playoffs every year.
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Let's also not forget the 1980s Western Conference was pretty much a complete joke, except for the Lakers, Rockets, and Blazers. This is where English made his career.


Compare that to the 2000s Western Conference, which is arguably the most competitive conference top to bottom, that the NBA has ever seen. This is where Melo made his career, and made the playoffs every year.

And now he finally wins a scoring title feasting on the pathetic east.
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