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Old 04-09-2013, 08:04 PM   #31
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:54 PM   #32
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Pure PG simply means pass-first PG. Most of PGs are looking to score first, thats why its quite rare trait on elite level.

If pure PGmeans people who think pass first Magic Johnson is a pure PG. And half the time the term is used in an all time way...its for the express purpose of removing Magic from the discussion because hes so far and away the best.

"Pure pg" is a term most often pulled out of the ass of someone on the internet who has little to base the label on.

And I dont mean you for the record. The term in general has come to mean....nothing really. Magic was the most pass happy player you could want. He cared not one bit who scored...but...he had so much talent he was clearly the best option to score many times.

So as punishment for his talent....hes not a pure PG to many. Despite being every bit as pass prone as anyone...ever.

The best PGs ever are in the extreme vast majority...scorers. But some of the greats lack the scoring talent so its often the right play to not attempt to....and that is flipped into them being "pure" points.

Its a pretty meaningless term to me at this point. Its appled not n prase of basketball talent...but to disregard players wth more of it. The Magics...Oscars...

When a term of supposed prase is used just to exclude more praise worthy players its tme for it to go.

The "pure" in this topic means nothing but "Other than the people who make this statement idiotic".

Isiah Thomas was a better "pure" point guard than Rondo ever will be. Just because it was the right play for him to score more often than it is for the less talented rondo doesnt mean rondo is thinking about passing more.

Steve Nash is possibly the sole "Hes only a "pure" point because he cant score at a high level" exception on this level of player.

If Rondo had the ability to score 18-24 a game on great shooting like Magic...and he didnt...it wouldnt make him "pure". It would make him a bad teammate and an idiot.
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Old 04-09-2013, 11:37 PM   #33
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With all due respect to your opinion... no, just no.
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Old 04-10-2013, 02:44 AM   #34
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No, and I'm one of the biggest Rondo fans here.

But for you dumb asses that still say he can't shoot, you are wrong. Look at the percentages. He's got a very respectable midrange game, and he's a good finisher. He only really struggles with 3s and FTs.
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Old 04-10-2013, 02:50 AM   #35
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Old 04-10-2013, 03:08 AM   #36
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Old 04-10-2013, 03:10 AM   #37
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OP. No. Just no.
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Hmmm. Interesting theory. But when it's all said and done, GOATBrook will be the greatest point guard that ever played the game. I'd say he's a top 15 player right now.
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Hmmm. Interesting theory. But when it's all said and done, GOATBrook will be the greatest point guard that ever played the game. I'd say he's a top 15 player right now.

This. We are not worthy of GOATbrook. He needs to leave scrub OKC as soon as possible and team up with Kobe in LA. We are talking multiple rings here people.
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Rondo is already the greatest PG ever...hes as good a playmaker as magic/stockton/nash..

however, his defense/rebounding/tenacity are MILES AHEAD of anyone else. his level of intensity is jordanesque.

rondo >>>>
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Rondo is already the greatest PG ever...hes as good a playmaker as magic/stockton/nash..

however, his defense/rebounding/tenacity are MILES AHEAD of anyone else. his level of intensity is jordanesque.

rondo >>>>

Did you miss the part when he got injured and the celtics finally went beyond a .500 team? He gets good stats at the expense of the team. (don't mention their most recent form, the injury to KG and others screwed them up subsequently)
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If pure PGmeans people who think pass first Magic Johnson is a pure PG. And half the time the term is used in an all time way...its for the express purpose of removing Magic from the discussion because hes so far and away the best.

"Pure pg" is a term most often pulled out of the ass of someone on the internet who has little to base the label on.

And I dont mean you for the record. The term in general has come to mean....nothing really. Magic was the most pass happy player you could want. He cared not one bit who scored...but...he had so much talent he was clearly the best option to score many times.

So as punishment for his talent....hes not a pure PG to many. Despite being every bit as pass prone as anyone...ever.

When we speak about specific area (i.e. pass-first PG, or lets say scoring), we focus on topic at hand, not how good/bad players are at other areas. It seems you have a problem with a focus, and just want to discuss players as a whole. If lets say topic is "what a great scorer Durant is", you - "but his defense/rebounding/passing blah blah", and that would be off-topic.

Pass or score-first isnt just ability based (although it sometimes is), but also mentality based. Stockton was an excellent shooter and slasher, yet he was looking to pass-first, not to score-first (a la Rose, Isiah, etc). Thats mentality. Some people are just wired this way.

I also dont agree with "removing Magic from the discussion because hes so far and away the best." - looking from passing and floor-general perspective, Stockton in this area is better. Higher volume passing with less turnovers, less ball-domination, less fancy, but razor-sharp and to the point. I would take efficiency over style everyday.

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Rondo ain't nothing but a black Bob Cousy.
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Old 04-10-2013, 05:29 AM   #44
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When we speak about specific area (i.e. pass-first PG, or lets say scoring), we focus on topic at hand, not how good/bad players are at other areas. It seems you have a problem with a focus, and just want to discuss players as a whole. If lets say topic is "what a great scorer Durant is", you - "but his defense/rebounding/passing blah blah", and that would be off-topic.


Being a point guard is not a specific area. Its a position.

If I talk about Durants passing when the issue is his scoring...that is off the topic. If the issue is best point guard...ability to do all the things a point is asked to do....is not.

You dont stop being a point guard when you score any more than a shooting guard stops being one when off the ball.

The idea that being a point guard is what you do when looking to pass is the whole problem. Its flat out inaccurate. Most great points....have been good enough at scoring that them scoring..IS...running the offense.

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Pass or score-first isnt just ability based (although it sometimes is), but also mentality based. Stockton was an excellent shooter and slasher, yet he was looking to pass-first, not to score-first (a la Rose, Isiah, etc). Thats mentality. Some people are just wired this way.

You know that Isiah Thomas was putting up 14 assists a game at one point right? That Stockton, Oscar, and Magic are the only players(retired) who average more assists for their careers? That he had stretches where he had 20, 12, 15, 20, 19, 16, 17, 19, 18, 16, 12, 12, 24, 9, and 25 assists in consecutive games?

When he was asked to create shots for others...he did so at a rate that to that point...had never been done. When his team became more grind it out...defense first...playing through the post...multiple ball handlers...his assists dropped.

That is what being a point guard is. Doing what you are supposed to do....running your offense.

The idea that most of these guys are score first and less talented guys are pass first just by mentality is absurd. Isiah, Magic, Oscar, and so on...they are best for the team...first. If the team is best served by scoring they score. Passing? They pass. If Rondo had a choice and chooses to over pass to the point he hurts his offense the way he sometimes does...it isnt being a more pure point.

Its being a worse point.

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I also dont agree with "removing Magic from the discussion because hes so far and away the best." - looking from passing and floor-general perspective, Stockton in this area is better. Higher volume passing with less turnovers, less ball-domination, less fancy, but razor-sharp and to the point. I would take efficiency over style everyday.

If you think Magic had the ball as much as John Stockton I simply dont believe you are old enough to have watched him in his prime. I remember Stockton....well. He may have dribbled more than anyone in the history of the NBA. He had total control of the ball for years. And higher volume passing? Passing is NOT assists per game. Magic may well have passed more than Stockton because so many more of his passes were just....moving the ball. Stockton no doubt passed the ball more to people in position to score right away....but he dribbled more in doing it and passed no more overall if not less.

You are talking about numbers not basketball. Magic barely had the ball at times outside the break. Shooting more is not being more ball dominant. Plenty of times Michael Cooper and Byron scott had the ball with Magic elsewhere.

In his prime Stockton had the ball as much as anyone ever has. He was supposed to.
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How on earth is he ever going to surpass Stockton?
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