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Old 04-09-2013, 12:14 PM   #76
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Kobe won b2b with Gasoft, Odumb, No knees Bynum and Fisher the worst starting pg of all time as his best teammates, so YES..
Gasol was pretty dang good when the Lakers originally acquired him. And Odom won sixth man of the year just a year after the the repeat, and he too was pretty good during it. However, that was after the chips, and Bynum too only became good after as well, but he was critical during it despite being oft-injured. While Derek fisher does/did suck, he was critical in that OT road win in Orlando, and the game 3 victory in Boston. Without him, the Lakers might not have repeated. Kobe won with a good, not great cast.
Back to the thread topic however, I think Kobe might've been able to win with a Cavs roster in 09', only once he got to the finals, he might face a Kobe led Lakers with a better supporting cast, so Lakers Kobe might win out.
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:21 PM   #77
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Default Re: Do you think Kobe could've won a championship

Bruh, Kobe had Caron Butler and Lamar Odom and they missed the playoffs. If he couldn't make the playoffs with those two talented players with makes you think he would've won the championship with all those scrubs in Cleveland?

Lamar Odom + Caron Butler >>>>>>>>>> any player on the Cavs other than LeBron.
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:25 PM   #78
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The only guy I ever see winning with them is MJ.
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:27 PM   #79
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LMAO. LeBron couldn't win a title in Cleveland... how would Kobe have a chance? They'd probably have won around 50 games or so and lost in the first/second round usually. No way Kobe is literally single-handedly carrying Cleveland past a vastly superior and way more talented Detroit team in the conference finals on his way to the Finals.
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:45 PM   #80
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No question. Prime Kobe absolutely would've won a championship with that Cleveland team. LeBron is great..and maybe he could do it now with that team, but at the time he didn't have it in him. He has Wade and Bosh now though so he doesn't have to fear failure anymore.
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Old 04-09-2013, 12:46 PM   #81
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No question. Prime Kobe absolutely would've won a championship with that Cleveland team. LeBron is great..and maybe he could do it now with that team, but at the time he didn't have it in him. He has Wade and Bosh now though so he doesn't have to fear failure anymore.

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Old 04-09-2013, 05:13 PM   #82
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2007 Detroit Pistons (53-29)
2009 Atlanta Hawks (47-35)
2008 Washington Wizards (43-39)
2010 Chicago Bulls (41-41)
2007 Washington Wizards (41-41)
2007 New Jersey Nets (41-41)
2009 Detroit Pistons (39-43)

There isn't an all star in this league incapable of duplicating Lebron's "success" with the Cavs. Those teams dont even make the playoffs in the West.

Any superstar in league history when paired with a top defensive, top rebounding and top three point shooting supporting cast is capable of duplicating what Lebron accomplished given the competition with the Cavs. People with agendas love to make his teammates look worse than they are just to prop up LeBron. The team, especially in 2010 perfectly complimented his talents or any superstar wing for that matter.

Who knows how well that 2010 Cavs team does if LeBron doesn't visibly quit and pout vs Boston. Even Delonte West played better than LeBron during that game 5 vs Boston where he gave up on his team before the series was over. We'll never know now what their capabilities were. Did LeBron have a superstar co-runner with the Cavs? No, but he had well built teams with appropriate pieces that fit LeBron's game, strength and playing stye and the worst part about that whole debacle was that years Cavs team actually did have a legit shot at winning a championship. If the Cavs could have gotten past the East they would have had the eventual champion Lakers, who they swept during the regular season. They would have faced Orlando again that year but this time with Shaq who was their to slow down and cause problems for Dwight. The Cavs also had home court advantage for two straight 60+ win seasons and couldn't get to the Finals once and got bounced in the semis as a 1st seed. A team that is capable of winning 60+ wins two seasons in a row isn't capable of winning a title? I think not. I don't see how Lebron didn't have a " good enough team" when it was HIM who played poorly game 5 vs Boston and not his teammates. James was 3-14 in that game while looking absolutely lost on both sides of the court while a shell of himself Shaq was 7-11 and Parker was 5-8.

But anyway the point is James didn't compete to the best of his abilities. Look at the 2012 Heat. They were worse talent wise and health wise than the 2011 Heat and IMO faced a superior Finals opponent, and a better Conference Finals opponent. What was the difference? LeBron tried. In 2011, he gave up in the Finals and went into full Casper mode.


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Old 04-09-2013, 05:16 PM   #83
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Kobe was just statpadding circa 08-08. Cavs are a lottery team with him.
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Old 04-09-2013, 05:33 PM   #84
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kobe has proven that he needs superstars to carry him or he wud threaten to force his way out...all well documented
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Old 04-09-2013, 05:33 PM   #85
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Kobe was just statpadding circa 08-08. Cavs are a lottery team with him.

Eastern conference they may have squeaked in.
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Old 04-09-2013, 05:34 PM   #86
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kobe has proven that he needs superstars to carry him or he wud threaten to force his way out...all well documented

He needs Phil even more!
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Old 04-09-2013, 05:57 PM   #87
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um, prime Kobe would lead that team to the best record in the NBA and win the finals against the Spurs. Lebron choked against them, something Kobe will never do, fail under the pressure.
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Kobe choked away a 4 peat against a vastly inferior team because of his selfish play.
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I admit to not follow your terminology very well, but it is clear you know much more about this great game than I do.

Here in Mozambique, we have a single court where we play our own version of basketball. Like your game, we have a pole. Although instead of using a hoop, we tie someone to the pole, usually a thief or an adulterer. And instead of hoisting a ball into the hoop, we throw stones at the person until they are dead. So someone who can throw repeatedly with no moral concerns is most desired in our game. Since the games are so similar, I imagine this is true of your basketball as well.

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kobe cant even will his team to the playoffs
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