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Old 04-09-2013, 07:22 AM   #31
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there isn't a single player in nba history that could have won with cleveland.

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Old 04-09-2013, 07:34 AM   #32
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The '07 team? If that's the team you're talking about, there isn't a player in NBA history that could have led that particular team to a title. Not prime Shaq, not prime Jordan, not current LeBron, and certainly no form of Kobe.

That team was horrible. Larry Hughes missed the finals, that seems to be often overlooked. Besides if it wasn't for some miracle Boobie Gibson 3's, and a LeBron James massacre of Detroit in GM5, the Cavs don't even make the finals. Hell Kobe likely wouldn't have been able to get that team out of the first round. When he had comparable talent to that team he pouted, and his team got put out in the first round.

If you mean '10, then maybe. We don't know what would have happened if LeBron hadn't quit. In 2009 there's no shot. In order for the Cavs to win Kobe would have had to have at least a 43/8/8 series, as LeBron had a 38/8/8 one. Considering the numbers Kobe put up against those same Magic in the finals, I think it's safe to say we wouldn't see those numbers from Kobe.
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Old 04-09-2013, 07:38 AM   #33
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i think MJ could have won with that team. the original is better than the copy.

MJ was in similar situation before he got the roster of Pippen / Grant with some lineup changes, look what happened, just being fair here. Even when he got Pippen/Grant he wasnt able to come up with a championship for about 3-4 years, with experience & lineup/strategy changes they got better and Lakers/Celtics/Pistons dying out helped alot aswell... i am not sure he or anybody could have won a championship with Larry Hughes or Mo Williams being their 2nd option....

All i am saying is that this is a team game unfortunately.... one player can have great impact, but if you do not have the required supporting cast then that wont matter, except perhaps give wins in the regular season and perhaps give a you playoff run.......

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Old 04-09-2013, 07:41 AM   #34
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No even as a Kobe fan...nobody could with those rosters in 07 and 09. Lebron averaged 38,8 and 8 and still lost in 09 that says it all.
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MJ was in similar situation before he got the roster of Pippen / Grant with some lineup changes, look what happened, just being fair here. Even when he got Pippen/Grant he wasnt able to come up with a championship for about 3-4 years.

This is a team game unfortunately.... one player can have great impact, but if you do not have the required supporting cast then that wont matter...

True, but in 08 and 10...I'd argue that current Lebron gets it done in one of those years. Or at least he gets by the Celtics. So it's hardly going off the rails to think prime MJ would have been able to do some special things those years. 09 was just not going to happen because the Magic just went nuts...and the 07 team was just not good enough.
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Default Re: Do you think Kobe could've won a championship

Kobe probably would've lead that team to a tile in 09 and 10, especially 10.
However, he wouldn't have gone as far with that 07 team, I think that team would be destroyed in ECF.
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MJ was in similar situation before he got the roster of Pippen / Grant with some lineup changes, look what happened, just being fair here. Even when he got Pippen/Grant he wasnt able to come up with a championship for about 3-4 years, with experience & lineup/strategy changes they got better and Lakers/Celtics/Pistons dying out helped alot aswell... i am not sure he or anybody could have won a championship with Larry Hughes or Mo Williams being their 2nd option....

All i am saying is that this is a team game unfortunately.... one player can have great impact, but if you do not have the required supporting cast then that wont matter, except perhaps give wins in the regular season and perhaps give a you playoff run.......

Exactly, people act like MJ could win before pippen showed up
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Default Re: Do you think Kobe could've won a championship

Michael Jordan (before the age of 28) and Lebron James (before the age of 27) are some of the finest example in NBA history who could prove to you that no matter how good a player can get you may never win one if you do not have the cast.... Kobe Bryant is also a fine example during the time of after-Shaq and pre-Gasol, hell Kobe was at his absolutely max peak talent/skill wise around 2005, to no avail at the end of the day due to supporting cast.... many other examples... Oscar... Wilt... Shaq... Hakeem... D.Robinson... Duncan.... etc....

This is unfortunately not tennis.... the best player doesnt win championships, the best team does....
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Kobe probably would've lead that team to a tile in 09 and 10, especially 10.
However, he wouldn't have gone as far with that 07 team, I think that team would be destroyed in ECF.

Celtics were too stacked from '08 to '10. one of the factors that kept stopping lebron except 09 where they were injured
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Celtics were too stacked from '08 to '10. one of the factors that kept stopping lebron except 09 where they were injured
It wasn't that the celtics were so stacked, it was their defense, and LeBron without that postgame that he only recently developed (which I think made him the best player in the league last year, hopefully for many years to come) wasn't able to do anything. That broke him down mentally.
Kobe, on the other hand, would've been able to score with his post moves, and since that was a team of shooters, something that Kobe has never had, it would've been interesting to see kobe being constantly doubled in the post and shooters getting all kinds of looks. And if you leave him 1v1 in the post, that's probably the deadliest weapon in the league.
Plus Kobe would never brake down mentally in any situation, he could start missing shots, but he would never quit, and we know that lebron quit.
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It wasn't that the celtics were so stacked, it was their defense, and LeBron without that postgame that he only recently developed (which I think made him the best player in the league last year, hopefully for many years to come) wasn't able to do anything. That broke him down mentally.
Kobe, on the other hand, would've been able to score with his post moves, and since that was a team of shooters, something that Kobe has never had, it would've been interesting to see kobe being constantly doubled in the post and shooters getting all kinds of looks. And if you leave him 1v1 in the post, that's probably the deadliest weapon in the league.
Plus Kobe would never brake down mentally in any situation, he could start missing shots, but he would never quit, and we know that lebron quit.
Except the Cavs second best overall player in '08, and '09 was a SG, and their backup SF was who again? People forget just how good Delonte West was, especially in the playoffs. That man had no quit in him, and always gave it his best on both ends.
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Old 04-09-2013, 08:25 AM   #42
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Exactly, people act like MJ could win before pippen showed up
Celtics were too stacked on the 80's era. one of the factors that kept stopping Jordan from winning a series until Pippen showed up.
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Default Re: Do you think Kobe could've won a championship

A more realistic question would be how long it would take for him to demand a trade.
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It wasn't that the celtics were so stacked, it was their defense, and LeBron without that postgame that he only recently developed (which I think made him the best player in the league last year, hopefully for many years to come) wasn't able to do anything. That broke him down mentally.
Kobe, on the other hand, would've been able to score with his post moves, and since that was a team of shooters, something that Kobe has never had, it would've been interesting to see kobe being constantly doubled in the post and shooters getting all kinds of looks. And if you leave him 1v1 in the post, that's probably the deadliest weapon in the league.
[b]Plus Kobe would never brake down mentally in any situation, he could start missing shots, but he would never quit, and we know that lebron quit.
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I dont think Kobe couldve gone far with this team, or at least farther then Lebron did. But Kobe wouldn't have quit in 2010, he would've at least tried. But the problem with that Cavs team is that it was built for Lebron James not Kobe bryant. Kobe is not the passer Lebron is.

What happened to that Cavs team is that they needed another player that could shoot or defend better in the post.

And why do people pretend like Bynum was such a factor when he played like ten minutes per game in both championship season? It was pretty much Odom who wasn't even a good defender coming off the bench and Gasol while a great player is not a superstar like Lebron stans say he is.

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