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Old 04-05-2013, 05:38 AM   #31
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4)Tom Thibodeau
1)Kareem
4)Jrue Holiday
4)AK47
5)Mookie blaylock
5)Andre Miller
5)Nene
5)Michael Redd
6)Prince
6)Battier
6)Anderson Varejao
7)Anthony Parker
7)Ramon Sessions

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PG: Jrue Holiday/Andre Miller
SG: Mookie Blaylock/Anthony Parker
C: Kareem Abdul Jabbar/Anderson Varejao
PF: Andrei Kirilenko/Nene
SF: Michael Redd (Prime right?)/Prince

ETA: Forgot to include my line up

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Old 04-05-2013, 07:16 AM   #32
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Group 2: Patrick Ewing, Kevin Durant
Group 3: Kyrie Irving
Group 4: Tom Thibodeau, Paul George, Joakim Noah
Group 5: OJ Mayo, JR Smith, Richard Jefferson
Group 6: Ibaka, Kirk Hinrich
Group 7: Larry Sanders, Novak

Coach: Thibs
PG: Kyrie Irving
SG: Paul George
SF: Kevin Durant
PF: Joakim Noah
C: Patrick Ewing

Bench
G: OJ Mayo, JR Smith, Kirk Hinrich
F/C: Richard Jefferson, Steve Novak, Ibaka, Larry Sanders


Tell you what...if we looked at this as a keeperl eague...where they got to grow and gel...that team wins 2-3 rings even with this insane competition. Kyrie/KD/peak 29ppg Ewing with a 6'8'' do it all all star George who is like....24? Noah the "Insult the other teams fanbase and shut down pick and rolls" guy....Kirk off the bench throwing a blanket on guards....OJ and JR the best combo of off the bench scorers you could get....Jefferson in Nets form who would be an insane 9th man....with 2 shot blockers in low enough minutes to not worry about foul trouble....so they are all out on EVERY attempt in the lane? And Novak to help space the floor now and then with Durant on the other wing?

Only weakness is Kyrie possibly getting lit up vs some of these backcourts and finding the balance between Ewing and Durant when Ewing is in "Give me the ball" mode and KD defers too much. Let Ewing settle into 22-25 a game mode...KD takes over in the 4th...with Kyrie more likely to not get in his way than Westbrook with Ewing always an option and Kyrie if the play breaks down?

That team could compete with any team ever in a 7 game series.

Not my sure winner so far for a one year thing...but let Kyrie/George peak with a still prime KD and Ewing in like 92-93 form?

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Old 04-05-2013, 07:59 AM   #33
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Decisions, decisions... this is an excellent thread for officially weeding out and potentially identifying trolls, by the way.

Star players are the building block for any winning team. It is not that they are the only aspect to the winning team... it's just... essentially you've got the equivalent of at least 2 players put into 1 person. I also think I need to start with a coach.

Well, I think coaches are overrated because we've seen some really, really bad coaches win some titles. *Doc Rivers* and lol @ how high he is. However, there are a few coaches that are undeniably great... that being said...

All that in mind... I see some high value in the coaches listed in tier 4 in comparison to the coaches listed in the tiers above them... combine that with my star player premise and I'm going with model A... I'm going to do a B as well and see which I like better.

This thread is going to very difficult for some people to judge solely on primes and completely healthy(I mean that's what we're going on here essentially, right... might be a few exceptions but not enough to list) and not looking at how the players went out or what they are now.

1. Shaquille O'Neal

4. Stan Van Gundy (coach)
4. Ron Artest
4.

As I'm doing this... you have too many SFs in tier 4 and it's pissing me off. Ok **** that I'm going with model B exclusively... skipping down to tier 4 isn't fair. The drop off from your first player to second player is too high no matter who you pick at 1. Basically what we're looking at here and the entire thread is based upon this question... Are you taking 1 guy from tier 1 to build your team around, or are you taking 2 guys from tier 2 AND 1 guy from tier 3. 3 All-Star high quality players > 1 star player without another true star next to him. You need to adjust your picks system in order to even this thread out.

2. Scottie Pippen (the most underrated player ever)
2. Gary Payton

3. Ben Wallace

4. Tom Thibodeau (coach)
4. Andre Iguodala
4. Andrew Bynum

5. Hidayet Turkoglu
5. Darrell Armstrong
5. Theo Ratliff

6. Marcin Gortat
6. Shane Battier

7. Damon Jones
7. Jason Kapono


**** your team. You're not scoring.
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Old 04-05-2013, 08:25 AM   #34
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I agree with much of that....even the overratedness of some coaches. But as I said I didnt rank by what id take....I ranked by what I felt ISH would value. Doc has already been taken by a couple people I think.

Also...Shaq and the "Master of Panic" as he called him? Trouble. And I know its unbalanced against starting with tier one...but I meant for it to be hard as hell. First time I did it guys were ending up with like...Kareem and Kobe or something like that. Next time I made it harder and on and on till now...I feel you have to really think to make a great team with a top tier player.

But people still want to try. Im gonna make it even worse next time. I was actually gonna include an owner and some side elements of value like the Suns medical staff(would have been a tier 3 option), the Lakers TV deal, or being in Miami or NY and really think about the long term likelyhood of these teams to prosper but it got too complicated and I figured it would be offputting for people who didnt want to do all that thinking.
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I am curious, what do you think about my selection, Kblaze?
It's a few posts above.
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I agree with much of that....even the overratedness of some coaches. But as I said I didnt rank by what id take....I ranked by what I felt ISH would value. Doc has already been taken by a couple people I think.

Also...Shaq and the "Master of Panic" as he called him? Trouble. And I know its unbalanced against starting with tier one...but I meant for it to be hard as hell. First time I did it guys were ending up with like...Kareem and Kobe or something like that. Next time I made it harder and on and on till now...I feel you have to really think to make a great team with a top tier player.

But people still want to try. Im gonna make it even worse next time. I was actually gonna include an owner and some side elements of value like the Suns medical staff(would have been a tier 3 option), the Lakers TV deal, or being in Miami or NY and really think about the long term likelyhood of these teams to prosper but it got too complicated and I figured it would be offputting for people who didnt want to do all that thinking.

Haha @ owners and medical staffs. Awesome.
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Decisions, decisions... this is an excellent thread for officially weeding out and potentially identifying trolls, by the way.

Star players are the building block for any winning team. It is not that they are the only aspect to the winning team... it's just... essentially you've got the equivalent of at least 2 players put into 1 person. I also think I need to start with a coach.

Well, I think coaches are overrated because we've seen some really, really bad coaches win some titles. *Doc Rivers* and lol @ how high he is. However, there are a few coaches that are undeniably great... that being said...

All that in mind... I see some high value in the coaches listed in tier 4 in comparison to the coaches listed in the tiers above them... combine that with my star player premise and I'm going with model A... I'm going to do a B as well and see which I like better.

This thread is going to very difficult for some people to judge solely on primes and completely healthy(I mean that's what we're going on here essentially, right... might be a few exceptions but not enough to list) and not looking at how the players went out or what they are now.

1. Shaquille O'Neal

4. Stan Van Gundy (coach)
4. Ron Artest
4.

As I'm doing this... you have too many SFs in tier 4 and it's pissing me off. Ok **** that I'm going with model B exclusively... skipping down to tier 4 isn't fair. The drop off from your first player to second player is too high no matter who you pick at 1. Basically what we're looking at here and the entire thread is based upon this question... Are you taking 1 guy from tier 1 to build your team around, or are you taking 2 guys from tier 2 AND 1 guy from tier 3. 3 All-Star high quality players > 1 star player without another true star next to him. You need to adjust your picks system in order to even this thread out.

2. Scottie Pippen (the most underrated player ever)
2. Gary Payton

3. Ben Wallace

4. Tom Thibodeau (coach)
4. Andre Iguodala
4. Andrew Bynum

5. Hidayet Turkoglu
5. Darrell Armstrong
5. Theo Ratliff

6. Marcin Gortat
6. Shane Battier

7. Damon Jones
7. Jason Kapono


**** your team. You're not scoring.
My team would score at will against yours while there is no one on your team who is unguardable.


Thibodeau
PG: Jrue Holiday/Andre Miller
SG: Mookie Blaylock/Anthony Parker
C: Kareem Abdul Jabbar/Anderson Varejao
PF: Andrei Kirilenko/Nene
SF: Michael Redd/Prince
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My team would score at will against yours while there is no one on your team who is unguardable.


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PG: Jrue Holiday/Andre Miller
SG: Mookie Blaylock/Anthony Parker
C: Kareem Abdul Jabbar/Anderson Varejao
PF: Andrei Kirilenko/Nene
SF: Michael Redd/Prince

You're kidding about scoring at will, right?
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Went with Option 2.

PG: Derrick Rose
SG: Latrell Sprewell
SF: Rudy Gay
PF: Anthony Mason
C: Tyson Chandler


Bench

PG: Jason Terry
SG: Dell Curry
SF: Rick Fox
PF: Horace Grant
C: Robin Lopez
C: Mark Eaton
G/F: Anthony Parker

Coach Phil Jackson.
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Option 2

Coach Chuck Daly (3)

Isaiah Thomas (2) Mo Williams (5)
Paul George (4) JR Smith (5)
Kevin Durant (2) Bruce Bowen (6) Steve Novak (7)
David West (4) Taj Gibson (6)
Andrew Bynum (4) Mark Eaton (5) Tyrus Thomas (7)
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PG: Andre Miller / JET
SG: Roy / Manu / Boobie
SF: Durant / Tayshaun
PF: AK47 / Millsap / Rambis
C: Reed / Perkins


I think its a team that could do what many of these might not....play together and not have a single ego in the way. Andre Miller doesnt care. Jet will come off the bench and be happy about it. Roy/Manu might want minutes but Manu is selfless and Roy is happy with some ball handling duties even if he isnt leaned on to score. Durant is too unselfish at times but I think Andre would ride him and get him the ball. AK47 does it all. Millsap is a good spark plug...Tay is one of the better "pure" role players who should always be one of the other guys on a contender. Perkins is there to.....scowl and supposedly be a lockerroom presence. Reed im surprised to see but he was a do it all bigman who more than held his own vs some matchups he physically shouldnt have been in(vs Wilt for example). He was also a DPOY type....a leader....a post scorer...mean on the glass. Good jumper. That team could play together out of the gate and not look overmatched vs many team.

I do wonder what they do with one of these Chris Paul/Ewing kinda teams though. Ewing pulls Reed out of the lane....they have nobody who is a big body really...who holds a top tier guard in check? Put Ak/Tay on a swingman perhaps...but I think it would get in trouble late in a big game vs a truly great scorer in the backcourt and lose some of their offense having to put defensive lineups in that couldnt go back at some of these teams on the other end.


Good team though. I like the teams that could actually function more than some of the 7 stars who all want to shoot teams. Though there is a place for them too.
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You're kidding about scoring at will, right?
Almost But honestly yours would not withstand a series against my team.
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kblaze what do you think of my squad?
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I think its a team that could do what many of these might not....play together and not have a single ego in the way. Andre Miller doesnt care. Jet will come off the bench and be happy about it. Roy/Manu might want minutes but Manu is selfless and Roy is happy with some ball handling duties even if he isnt leaned on to score. Durant is too unselfish at times but I think Andre would ride him and get him the ball. AK47 does it all. Millsap is a good spark plug...Tay is one of the better "pure" role players who should always be one of the other guys on a contender. Perkins is there to.....scowl and supposedly be a lockerroom presence. Reed im surprised to see but he was a do it all bigman who more than held his own vs some matchups he physically shouldnt have been in(vs Wilt for example). He was also a DPOY type....a leader....a post scorer...mean on the glass. Good jumper. That team could play together out of the gate and not look overmatched vs many team.

I do wonder what they do with one of these Chris Paul/Ewing kinda teams though. Ewing pulls Reed out of the lane....they have nobody who is a big body really...who holds a top tier guard in check? Put Ak/Tay on a swingman perhaps...but I think it would get in trouble late in a big game vs a truly great scorer in the backcourt and lose some of their offense having to put defensive lineups in that couldnt go back at some of these teams on the other end.


Good team though. I like the teams that could actually function more than some of the 7 stars who all want to shoot teams. Though there is a place for them too.



Yeah that bolded phrase, that was my goal. You nailed it.

And Willis Reed - while being my favourite Knick ever - is underrated I think. Like you said he wasn't the biggest guy in the paint but he didn't back down from anyone or anything.

As for late game defense, a healthy B-Roy can guard anyone. It is (well, was) one of his biggest credits.
Roy on the star PG/SG or whoever brings the ball up. Manu is definitely not a great on ball defender but he's scrappy as hell in following opponents who want to come off screens and that's what he'd have to do. KD with his long arms we all know is an effective defender on the wing.
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1 from group 1
Hakeem Olajuwon

3 from group 4
Tom Thibodeau
Andrei Kirilenko
Larry Nance

4 from group 5
Doug Christie
Andre Miller
Michael Redd
Mark Eaton

3 from group 6
Bruce Bowen
Anderson Varejao
Bobby Jackson

2 from group 7
Kurt Rambis
Tyronne Lue

Dre / Bobby Jax
Redd / Christie
AK47 / Bowen / Novak
Nance / Varejao / Rambis
Hakeem / Eaton
Coach: Thibs


First and foremost, nobody is scoring on this team. The Dream manning the paint with another versatile defender in Larry Nance (career 2.2bpg, 0.9spg) and Mt Eaton/Varejao off the pine, and AK47/Christie/Bowen/Dre will absolutely lock down the perimeter. Dont forget defensive specialist head coach Thibs.

Offense will be ran through the post. Hakeem/Nance can both go inside and out and their length will be a nightmare to handle. Prime Michael Redd will absolutely burn the opposite team with the bigs drawing all the defensive attention. Dre/AK47 are capable scorers as well. Bobby Jackson is my wildcard, and the rest of the bench have their ways to get their points as well.

It doesnt look like the most talented team on paper, but they can match-up so well with any team. The versatility and defence of my team is just insane.

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