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Old 03-20-2014, 01:59 PM   #1
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Default Replace Russell with one of the centers listed, how many chips do the Celtics get?

Starting the same year Russell did...Is Bill the only Center that could get them 11?


Wilt

Kareem

Shaq

Hakeem

Walton

Thurmond

Ewing

Robinson

Gilmore

Moses

Duncan


(Bill Russell is no longer in the league to anyone who wants to say "None, Russells team beats them"

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What is with people fascination with "what if" scenarios.
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What is with people fascination with "what if" scenarios.

Not enough LeBron?
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What is with people fascination with "what if" scenarios.
Now I dont want to get all hypothetical on you...But what if people have different interests and are amused by different things? :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Now I dont want to get all hypothetical on you...But what if people have different interests and are amused by different things? :OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

This is like the 100th thread about Replace bill Russel with a certain player.
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This is like the 100th thread about Replace bill Russel with a certain player.
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I think as much as some people underrate Russell here, others overrate him. Can anyone here with a straight face argue Russell was a more complete big man than Wilt, KAJ, Shaq or Hakeem??? Again, put Tim Duncan against the competition Bill faced and TimmyD would be sporting the same if not more jewelery.

SMH at those who think the overall talent pool in the 50's-60's is comparable to today.

Made it because of that. Don't agree with it, but wanted to see what people thought other great centers could do given the cards Russell was dealt
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Default Re: Replace Russell with one of the centers listed, how many chips do the Celtics get?

Any one of those guys put in Russells place would win at least 26 chips. FACT.
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Default Re: Replace Russell with one of the centers listed, how many chips do the Celtics get?

Wilt, and Robinson would have won less because they historically have underperformed during pressure situations.

Walton would have won less, because of his inability to stay healthy for a career.

Gilmore, Thurmond, Ewing, Moses, would have won about the same 10-11 titles on those celtics.

Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem and Kareem would have won 13 titles with those celtic teams.

Correct me if I am wrong here, but wasnt that an era where teams were still using racial quotas to help fill a team? Eg. teams could have 2 black players (so they could room together, but couldnt have more, because they would be too black).

Red was the first guy, who was like, forget race, its only basketball, just get the best players possible. So the celtics were the only team that wasnt using race as an evaluation criteria when forming their team. Obviously if you judge only on talent, you will have a significant competitive advantage, over other teams that are forming teams based off irrelevant criteria.

The celtics were basically playing with an advantage.
Edit: Also this why i find red's championships less impressive than most.

Eg. a swimmer that uses those skin tight suits winning vs. swimmers in loose trunks.

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Default Re: Replace Russell with one of the centers listed, how many chips do the Celtics get?

To get 11 rings, you need to reach your prime very early and be quite lucky as well. Injuries can easily hamper your chance, especially playing in Bill's era where recovery knowledge/tech was not up to today's. Certainly some if not most of these centers in their prime may be better than Bill but do they have both the longevity and the luck to do it? I'd say very small hope of that.
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Wilt, and Robinson would have won less because they historically have underperformed during pressure situations.

Walton would have won less, because of his inability to stay healthy for a career.

Gilmore, Thurmond, Ewing, Moses, would have won about the same 10-11 titles on those celtics.

Duncan, Shaq, Hakeem and Kareem would have won 13 titles with those celtic teams.

Correct me if I am wrong here, but wasnt that an era where teams were still using racial quotas to help fill a team? Eg. teams could have 2 black players (so they could room together, but couldnt have more, because they would be too black).

Red was the first guy, who was like, forget race, its only basketball, just get the best players possible. So the celtics were the only team that wasnt using race as an evaluation criteria when forming their team. Obviously if you judge only on talent, you will have a significant competitive advantage, over other teams that are forming teams based off irrelevant criteria.

The celtics were basically playing with an advantage.
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How many do you think they'd win? To narrow the Im really just interested to know about these players

Wilt

Kareem

Shaq

Hakeem

Thurmond

Robinson

Gilmore

Moses

Duncan

Personally think Wilt could match or top it....With kareem, and Hakeem coming close
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Starting the same year Russell did...Is Bill the only Center that could get them 11?


Wilt

Kareem

Shaq

Hakeem

Walton

Thurmond

Ewing

Robinson

Gilmore

Moses

Duncan


(Bill Russell is no longer in the league to anyone who wants to say "None, Russells team beats them"

Don't know enough about the bolded players to make judgment, but I honestly don't see how the Cs don't win at least as much as they did with Russell with the others listed. Everyone of those guys are great 2 way, all around players. So the Cs wouldn't miss anything in terms of rebounding, blocks, team defense, etc but they would gain infinitely better offensive players. Just having Shaq alone would free everyone up on the perimeter. Guys like Havlicek, Cousy, Jones, Heinsohn would be getting wide open looks while teams back then (as they did in the modern era) struggled feebly to contain a monster like Shaq inside. Look at what Shaq did in the playoffs/finals during his peak. Now imagine him not having to go through the grind of the usual playoffs (it took only 2 series wins for a ring for most of Russell's career). Playoff/Finals averages of 60 PPG (60%+)/ 35 RPG/ 8 APG aren't as ridiculous as they sound, especially considering Wilt put up 50 PPG/ 26 RPG over the course of an entire season under similar circumstances.

I honestly think some of those guys on those Celtics teams would not only win the championship every season comfortably, but they would set records in terms of wins, margin of victory, offensive & defensive efficiency, etc that would never be broken.

EDIT- This is all under the assumption that said players stay relatively healthy over the course of their careers. Otherwise a guy like Walton obviously doesn't replicate the same results for more than 2 or so seasons.

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Default Re: Replace Russell with one of the centers listed, how many chips do the Celtics get?

People forget that the rim was lower during Russells era, imagine modern legends like Duncan, KG, Shaq playing on lower rims? It would be a massacre.
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KAJ >>> Russell

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Lol at making this type of thread about a guy no one actually watched on this forum bar 30 seconds highlights and the box score
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