Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops

Go Back   Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops > InsideHoops Main Basketball Forums > NBA Forum

NBA Forum NBA Message Board - NBA Fan Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-31-2013, 12:13 PM   #16
Horatio33
Winning>Stats
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: England
Posts: 1,188
Horatio33 has an OK reputation so far
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Pauk in "here's some stats that make LEBron look good" shocker.
Horatio33 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 12:18 PM   #17
pauk
NBA Legend
 
pauk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 16,572
pauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation here
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dunksby
Why per 100? Why not 120 or 130? Per 100 obviously will favor modern day basketball players' numbers.

I just picked 100 because i am more used to seeing that many possessions i guess... Wouldnt matter how many possessions i would choose... It doesnt favor anybody because a possession is a possession and all are calculated after the same possessions, no matter how little or how many possessions i would have used here you will get the same result but in different numbers.... I mean the player that averaged best numbers per. possession / minute will average the best numbers per. possession / minute no matter how many possessions/minutes we are going after..........

Last edited by pauk : 03-31-2013 at 12:27 PM.
pauk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 12:24 PM   #18
Whoah10115
Linja Status
 
Whoah10115's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 7,968
Whoah10115 is starting to rub some people the wrong way
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubio2Gasol
Would Shaq be able to run up and down the court for 48 minutes and 140 possessions an entire season


Most people are not using context. Some just think that their agenda has been validated.


Kblaze is right, but it doesn't change that I found this very interesting. Of course, these are all stats and context needs to be applied, but it's still cool.
Whoah10115 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 12:25 PM   #19
pauk
NBA Legend
 
pauk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 16,572
pauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation here
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Horatio33
Pauk in "here's some stats that make LEBron look good" shocker.

Unfortunately it does make many other players look good and/or better.... but only Lebron bothers you.... cant help that... do you want me to remove him? Will it make you feel better?
pauk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 12:44 PM   #20
toxicxr6
Local High School Star
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 1,213
toxicxr6 has decent reputation
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

And why is there no Duncan on this list?
toxicxr6 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 12:52 PM   #21
La Frescobaldi
I brick nerf balls
 
La Frescobaldi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 3,896
La Frescobaldi has a near all-star reputation hereLa Frescobaldi has a near all-star reputation hereLa Frescobaldi has a near all-star reputation hereLa Frescobaldi has a near all-star reputation hereLa Frescobaldi has a near all-star reputation hereLa Frescobaldi has a near all-star reputation here
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Show the hard evidence for possessions.

Since steals & turnovers weren't recorded, you really do have to show hard evidence.

Explain why you selected 100 and 40 mpg (i.e., this idea is from the guys at basketball reference from ca. 10 year ago and was used by several people as a way to belittle Chamberlain's feats in favor of Jordan.... Nobody could possibly play 48mpg, therefore Chamberlain will have to get his numbers lowered )

It's a pretty plaything but how does this show the stamina required to keep the same level of activity for 48 minutes that a guy has for 35 or 40?
La Frescobaldi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 12:57 PM   #22
lilgodfather1
Wait and See
 
lilgodfather1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 5,308
lilgodfather1 is a pretty well-respected posterlilgodfather1 is a pretty well-respected posterlilgodfather1 is a pretty well-respected poster
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

So basically LeBron, Jordan, and Shaq are the three best peak players ever according to these numbers? Yeah that's a real shock lol.

I'd like to see LeBron, Jordan, and Shaq's averages based on the same amount of possessions of Wilt and Oscar. I'd venture to guess roughly LeBron would be somewhere around 48/13/13, Jordan would be 53/10/9, and Shaq would be 48/30.
lilgodfather1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 01:02 PM   #23
pauk
NBA Legend
 
pauk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 16,572
pauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation here
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Quote:
Originally Posted by chips93
where did op get numbers for pace for wilt and oscars teams?

For 1960s i have been reading/finding different results, anything from specific teams averaging 126 to 145 (a book i have here at home, saying it was 145 poss. p/g in 1967) 130 to 156 and to a whooping 165 poss. per game and the best teams (Russell/Wilt/Oscar teams) averaged the most.... not being sure what to go with i went with something in the in the middle, 150.... its an approximate, but to be super accurate lets just say Wilt/Oscar/Russell played in a era with many more possessions a game....

Last edited by pauk : 03-31-2013 at 01:10 PM.
pauk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 01:40 PM   #24
ILLsmak
Life goes on.
 
ILLsmak's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 6,813
ILLsmak has decent reputation
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Quote:
Originally Posted by pauk
I just picked 100 because i am more used to seeing that many possessions i guess... Wouldnt matter how many possessions i would choose... It doesnt favor anybody because a possession is a possession and all are calculated after the same possessions, no matter how little or how many possessions i would have used here you will get the same result but in different numbers.... I mean the player that averaged best numbers per. possession / minute will average the best numbers per. possession / minute no matter how many possessions/minutes we are going after..........

I may be crazy, but wouldn't it require you to define a possession first? Your statement would be true once a possession is defined.

Edit: In case that is vague, what I mean is you'd have to define per possession production for a player.

-Smak
ILLsmak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 02:20 PM   #25
DatAsh
Local High School Star
 
DatAsh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,813
DatAsh has an incredible reputation hereDatAsh has an incredible reputation hereDatAsh has an incredible reputation hereDatAsh has an incredible reputation hereDatAsh has an incredible reputation hereDatAsh has an incredible reputation hereDatAsh has an incredible reputation here
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Please show the exact method you're using to estimate the pace for those earlier teams.

Also, for the first few players I checked, you're numbers are wrong. You've inflated the stats a bit for certain players and deflated them a bit for others, so please show the exact calculation for each player.
DatAsh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 02:30 PM   #26
PrettyCool
Banned
 
PrettyCool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 666
PrettyCool has no real reputation yet.
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

numbers prove Kobe is GOAT.
PrettyCool is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 03:18 PM   #27
Pointguard
NBA sixth man of the year
 
Pointguard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: New York City
Posts: 7,310
Pointguard is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablePointguard is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablePointguard is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablePointguard is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablePointguard is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablePointguard is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablePointguard is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablePointguard is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablePointguard is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablePointguard is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginablePointguard is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginable
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Wow, did Wilt and them have close to 200 possessions in a game??? His numbers were reduced nearly in half.
Pointguard is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 03:39 PM   #28
DatAsh
Local High School Star
 
DatAsh's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 1,813
DatAsh has an incredible reputation hereDatAsh has an incredible reputation hereDatAsh has an incredible reputation hereDatAsh has an incredible reputation hereDatAsh has an incredible reputation hereDatAsh has an incredible reputation hereDatAsh has an incredible reputation here
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pointguard
Wow, did Wilt and them have close to 200 possessions in a game??? His numbers were reduced nearly in half.

The OP didn't do a very good job of estimating pace. Not only that, but some of the numbers for certain players for which he didn't need to estimate pace are either inflated or deflated.
DatAsh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 03:43 PM   #29
Psileas
NBA lottery pick
 
Psileas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Great!
Posts: 5,447
Psileas is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterPsileas is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterPsileas is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterPsileas is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterPsileas is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterPsileas is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterPsileas is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterPsileas is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterPsileas is considered a brilliant InsideHoops poster
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

1. Not buying the 150 possessions thing about the 60's, sorry. Especially 1966. Generally, look at the differences in the numbers of shots taken, FT's taken, etc. Compare 1966 to 1972. How the heck did you get to a difference of 30 possessions?

2. If it was anywhere near accurate to take a league with supposedly 150 possessions and project stats in a league of 100 or vice-versa without accounting for severe changes in efficiency (and therefore, other stats linked with it, like rebounds and assists), modern teams would be foolish NOT to try and get 150 possessions themselves nowadays.

3. Linked with #2. Why don't you also post the adjusted numbers for their whole teams, so that we really see who's more impactful statistically for his team? Also, how about posting their FGAs?

4. Linked with #3. Since you are a PER fan, if Wilt's stats are "mortal", how come he still has the most impressive individual season PERs of all time, which comes AFTER accounting for possessions? Why does Wilt's PER blow Magic's out of the water if Magic supposedly almost matches Wilt's scoring (LOL!), probably exceeds his efficiency (due to FT's) and Magic's assists advantage is wider than Wilt's rebounding advantage? Something doesn't add up here...
Psileas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 03:45 PM   #30
tmacattack33
NBA rookie of the year
 
tmacattack33's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Posts: 6,284
tmacattack33 has not been impressing people
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dunksby
Why per 100? Why not 120 or 130? Per 100 obviously will favor modern day basketball players' numbers.

lolwut
tmacattack33 is offline   Reply With Quote
This NBA Basketball News Website Sponsored by:
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:46 AM.




NBA Basketball Forum Key Links:
InsideHoops Home
NBA Rumors
Basketball Blog
NBA Daily Recaps
NBA Videos
Fantasy Basketball
NBA Mock Draft
NBA Free Agents
All-Star Weekend
---
High School Basketball
Streetball
---
InsideHoops Twitter
Search Our Site















Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Terms of Use/Service | Privacy Policy