Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops

Go Back   Message Board Basketball Forum - InsideHoops > InsideHoops Main Basketball Forums > NBA Forum

NBA Forum NBA Message Board - NBA Fan Forum

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 03-31-2013, 09:46 AM   #1
pauk
NBA Legend
 
pauk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 16,458
pauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation here
Default Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

First of all, please let it be known that there is no "This era is bad / This era is good" agenda or "This player was better / This player was worse" agenda here or whatever agenda.... it is strictly stats based on 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.... it means nothing more than speculation, take it for what it literally is....

Just thought i would share with you a "research" i just did, i really was curious about what some of the all-time great players would hypothetically averaged if they had to work with the exact same league/team pace........... did some research (google/bball-reference) and then calculated those players averages per 100 possessions a game & 40 mpg.... i took only one of their best statistical seasons....

I picked 12 players for now, will do more later... feel free to ask about any other players numbers you wish to see "transformed" and i will do it....

-------------------------------------------------------------

(not a must read) How do you calculate this? Example:

First we must transform a players averages to 100 poss. per game...
Lets say you averaged 24.3 ppg for your career in 102.1 poss. per game...
you divide 24.3 with 102.1, which gives us 0.238.... which means that you averaged 0.238 ppg per possession..... now we just multiply 0.238 with 100 and that gets us to 23.8... 23.8 ppg in 100 possessions...

Now we go to the minutes, lets say you averaged 38.4 mpg for your career while averaging 23.8 ppg in 100 possessions a game.... so we divide 23.8 with 38.4, which gives/means 0.619 points per minute.... so, 0.619 pts x 40 minutes = 24.8 ppg...

Result = You averaged 24.8 ppg in 40 mpg with 100 poss. per game.

------------------------------------------------------------

If you are curious, here is the factual estimations of league history possessions per game:

2000s & current poss. per game = 90-100
1990s poss. per game = 90-100
1980s poss. per game = 100-110
1970s poss. per game = 110-130
1960s poss. per game = 140-160

Lets just go with 100 possessions and 40 mpg...

------------------------------------------------------------

Oscar Robertson 1961-62:

18.5 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 6.9 apg in 100 poss. per game. & 40 mpg.

30.8 ppg, 12.5 rpg, 11.4 apg in his ~150 poss. per game. & 44.3 mpg.

Wilt Chamberlain 1961-62:

27.7 ppg, 14.1 rpg, 1.3 apg in 100 poss. per game. & 40 mpg.

50.4 ppg, 25.7 rpg, 2.4 apg in his ~150 poss. per game. & 48.5 mpg.

Bill Russell 1961-62:

11.2 ppg, 13.9 rpg, 2.7 apg in 100 poss. per game. & 40 mpg.

18.9 ppg, 23.6 rpg, 4.5 apg in his ~150 poss. per game. & 45.2 mpg.

Shaquille O'Neal 1999-00:

31.8 ppg, 14.8 rpg, 4.1 apg in 100 poss. per game & 40 mpg.

29.7 ppg, 13.8 rpg, 3.8 apg in his 93.3 poss. per game. & 40.0 mpg.

Larry Bird 1986-87:

28.0 rpg, 9.2 rpg, 7.6 apg in 100 poss. per game & 40 mpg.

28.1 rpg, 9.2 rpg, 7.6 apg in his 99 poss. per game. & 40.5 mpg.

Magic Johnson 1986-87:

25.8 ppg, 6.7 rpg, 13.1 apg in 100 poss. per game. & 40 mpg.

23.9 ppg, 6.3 rpg, 12.2 apg in his 102 poss. per game. & 36.3 mpg.

Kobe Bryant 2005-06:

37.9 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 4.8 apg in 100 poss. per game & 40 mpg.

35.4 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.5 apg in his 91 poss. per game. & 41 mpg.

Hakeem Olajuwon 1992-93:

27.9 ppg, 14.0 rpg, 3.7 apg in his 100 poss. per game & 40 mpg.

26.1 ppg, 13.0 rpg, 3.5 apg in 94.4 poss. per game & 39.5 mpg.

Kareem Abdul Jabbar 1971-72:

26.2 ppg, 12.5 rpg, 3.4 apg in 100 poss. per game & 40 mpg.

34.8 ppg, 16.6 rpg, 4.6 apg in his ~120 poss. per game & 44.2 mpg.

Jerry West 1965-66:

20.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 4.0 apg in 100 poss. per game & 40 mpg.

31.3 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 6.1 apg in his ~150 poss. per game & 40.7 mpg.

LeBron James 2009-10::

33.3 ppg, 8.2 rpg, 9.6 apg in 100 poss. per game & 40 mpg

29.7 ppg, 7.3 rpg, 8.6 apg in his 91.4 poss. per game & 39.0 mpg.

Michael Jordan 1988-89:

33.2 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 8.1 apg in 100 poss. per game & 40 mpg

32.5 ppg, 8.0 rpg, 8.0 apg in his 97.0 poss. per game & 40.2 mpg.




Some fun facts:

1. Wilt's & Oscar's best productions were actually mortal (still impressive though)... they just happened in a very different time thats all..

2. Per possession & minute Michael Jordan & Lebron James average the best overall productions for their career....... and per possession & minute Jordan, Lebron and Shaq had easily the most productive single seasons in NBA history.....

3. Magic Johnson's & Lebron James current career averages would be triple double career averages with ~150 poss. per game.

4. Per possession & minute Kobe Bryant in 2005-06 had actually the 2nd most impressive point production in NBA history.... #1 is Michael Jordan in 1986-87 who averaged 38.6 ppg in 100 poss. per game & 40 mpg....

Last edited by pauk : 03-31-2013 at 09:56 AM.
pauk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 09:50 AM   #2
Zodiac
Local High School Star
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Home
Posts: 1,068
Zodiac is considered somewhat coolZodiac is considered somewhat coolZodiac is considered somewhat cool
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Tldr
Zodiac is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 09:51 AM   #3
Maindi
I airball my layups
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 55
Maindi has an OK reputation so far
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zodiac
Tldr
It's not even that long of a post phaggit
Maindi is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 09:54 AM   #4
pauk
NBA Legend
 
pauk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 16,458
pauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation here
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zodiac
Tldr

You dont have to be hard on yourself, you dont have to read all that... just look at the stats if interested, which will take you just some seconds, if you are curious about more details perhaps then read or ask.... :)
pauk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 09:57 AM   #5
Kblaze8855
Titles are overrated
 
Kblaze8855's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: I love me some me.
Posts: 13,011
Kblaze8855 is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableKblaze8855 is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableKblaze8855 is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableKblaze8855 is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableKblaze8855 is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableKblaze8855 is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableKblaze8855 is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableKblaze8855 is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableKblaze8855 is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableKblaze8855 is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableKblaze8855 is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginable
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Quote:
First of all, please let it be known that there is no "This era is bad / This era is good" agenda or "This player was better / This player was worse" agenda here or whatever agenda.

Sure there is. It may or may not be an interesting set of numbers to glance at....but ets just be real about it.
Kblaze8855 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 10:03 AM   #6
Living Being
Entity of Existence
 
Living Being's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,217
Living Being has an OK reputation so far
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

I always knew Shaq > Wilt.

CONFIRMED
Living Being is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 10:03 AM   #7
raprap
Local High School Star
 
raprap's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Posts: 1,209
raprap is a pretty well-respected posterraprap is a pretty well-respected posterraprap is a pretty well-respected poster
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Interesting. Might read it all later. Just glanced through the stats.
raprap is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 10:06 AM   #8
dunksby
ISH's Scribbler
 
dunksby's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 9,285
dunksby is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterdunksby is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterdunksby is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterdunksby is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterdunksby is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterdunksby is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterdunksby is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterdunksby is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterdunksby is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterdunksby is considered a brilliant InsideHoops poster
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Why per 100? Why not 120 or 130? Per 100 obviously will favor modern day basketball players' numbers.
dunksby is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 10:08 AM   #9
KobesFinger
Laker Gang
 
KobesFinger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Birmingham, England
Posts: 2,905
KobesFinger has a terrific reputationKobesFinger has a terrific reputationKobesFinger has a terrific reputationKobesFinger has a terrific reputationKobesFinger has a terrific reputation
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

I like this, can I see T-Mac, Duncan and Kobe from 2002-03 and CP3 from 2007-08 please?
KobesFinger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 10:11 AM   #10
Rubio2Gasol
College star
 
Rubio2Gasol's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Posts: 3,936
Rubio2Gasol has decent reputation
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Living Being
I always knew Shaq > Wilt.

CONFIRMED

Would Shaq be able to run up and down the court for 48 minutes and 140 possessions an entire season
Rubio2Gasol is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 10:12 AM   #11
Living Being
Entity of Existence
 
Living Being's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,217
Living Being has an OK reputation so far
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Rubio2Gasol
Would Shaq be able to run up and down the court for 48 minutes and 140 possessions an entire season
Sure. He'd just weigh 20 lbs less.
Living Being is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 10:29 AM   #12
chips93
Very good NBA starter
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Ireland
Posts: 8,014
chips93 is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterchips93 is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterchips93 is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterchips93 is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterchips93 is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterchips93 is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterchips93 is considered a brilliant InsideHoops posterchips93 is considered a brilliant InsideHoops poster
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

where did op get numbers for pace for wilt and oscars teams?
chips93 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 10:42 AM   #13
inclinerator
Future NBA G.O.A.T
 
inclinerator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 12,057
inclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginable
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

918 words
inclinerator is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 10:56 AM   #14
inclinerator
Future NBA G.O.A.T
 
inclinerator's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Posts: 12,057
inclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginableinclinerator is the Michael Jordan of posters with the best reputation imaginable
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Quote:
Originally Posted by dunksby
Why per 100? Why not 120 or 130? Per 100 obviously will favor modern day basketball players' numbers.
those number will still go higher no matter what number u choose
inclinerator is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2013, 11:07 AM   #15
pauk
NBA Legend
 
pauk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 16,458
pauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation herepauk has an incredible reputation here
Default Re: Some of the All-Time greats averages in 100 poss. per game and 40 mpg.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kblaze8855
Sure there is. It may or may not be an interesting set of numbers to glance at....but ets just be real about it.

Whatever you wish Kblaze.... fine with me...
pauk is offline   Reply With Quote
This NBA Basketball News Website Sponsored by:
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:24 PM.




NBA Basketball Forum Key Links:
InsideHoops Home
NBA Rumors
Basketball Blog
NBA Daily Recaps
NBA Videos
Fantasy Basketball
NBA Mock Draft
NBA Free Agents
All-Star Weekend
---
High School Basketball
Streetball
---
InsideHoops Twitter
Search Our Site















Powered by vBulletin Version 3.5.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd. Terms of Use/Service | Privacy Policy