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Old 03-16-2013, 10:33 PM   #61
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Its amazing its always Shaq's fault or Malone's fault when Kobe chucks away 38%FG & looses.

Kobe CHOKED!. Just admit it.

Kobe'tards are indeed FULL RETARDS!
Shaq was real upset at Kobe that season especially after that false rape incident
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Old 03-16-2013, 10:33 PM   #62
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I just looked at the numbers and Ray was much better than I remember. Ray put up numbers, much more efficiently. The only big difference is Pierce's assists and turnovers are much higher.

Big 4 stats, finals only:

Garnett - 18.2 ppg / 13 reb / 3 ast / 1.7 stl / 1 blk / 2.7 to on 42.9 fg% / 76 ft%

Rondo - 9.3 ppg / 3.8 reb / 6.7 ast / 1.5 stl / .5 blk / 1.5 to on 37.7 fg% / 59.3 ft%

Pierce - 21.8 ppg / 4.5 reb / 6.3 ast / 1.2 stl / .3 blk / 3.7 to on 43.2 fg% / 39.3 3pt% / 83 ft%

Ray - 20.3 ppg / 5 reb / 2.5 ast / 1.3 stl / .7 blk / 1.8 to on 50.7 fg% / 52.4 3pt% / 86.7 ft%


I'd still give it to KG... Plus I think KG was the leader of the Celtics in scoring through all the playoffs that year.
I honestly thought Allen was the Finals MVP, by a slight margin. Hell, they could have split that into 3 for Garnett too.

And offensively, Allen's contributions was more "impact" in the Finals than Pierce was.

2008 season and 09 season, they were neck-in-neck. But Allen declined 2010-present, while Pierce has still been good since.

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Old 03-16-2013, 11:28 PM   #63
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If you consider the '80s as the start of the modern era, then it's easily Cedric Maxwell and Chauncey Billups.

@ Kobe in '10. Even most people were saying that even if the Lakers had lost that series that Kobe could get the Finals MVP award ala Jerry West when he lost in the Finals, but still won MVP in '69.

Kobe limited Rondo big time. Everyone was proclaiming him the best PG in the game before that series. Other than one game, he never went off. The one game he did, Kobe was in foul trouble.

I don't think most people realize how tough it is for a guard to get 15 rebounds. Kobe came up huge in game 7. Who kept the team in perspective the whole series? Kobe and Fisher. If you pay attention to those press conferences, Kobe was sending a message to the team. Gasol mentioned this.

Kobe disrupted the most important player on the other team (Rondo). Rondo is the engine that made the Celtics run. Kobe turned him into the Little Engine that Couldn't.

The bottom line is that nobody shot well for their positions. Kobe's FG% in game 7 is the only reason this is a discussion. Regardless his overall stats are by far the best. And I said before it's based purely on numbers without the biases and agendas found on ISH. I know Kobe detractors really wanted Gasol to win it, but his numbers although good for him, aren't Kobe's.

29 PTS 8.0 REBS 5 AST 2.14 STL

This.

Barely anyone actually thinks Gasol deserved it over Kobe. Kobe detractors on ISH are really the ones who try to say that.
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Old 03-16-2013, 11:54 PM   #64
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1. Lebron 2012, 2. Wade 2006


Stop being whack.
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Old 03-17-2013, 12:44 AM   #65
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LeBron choked in 2011, but not in 2007. Kobe didn't choke in 2008. The Celtics were the better team. He did however choke/chuck in 2004. The Lakers really should have won that series.

In that '07 series LeBron averaged 22 ppg, 7 rpg, 6.8 apg, but he shot 35.6%(20% on 3's and 69% from the line) while averaging 5.8 turnovers per game and 22.5 shots per game.

Come on, that's as bad as Kobe's 2004 series, especially when you consider the fact that LeBron's team was swept and the '04 Pistons are very arguably the GOAT defensive team. Granted, Kobe's team was favored to win while Lebron's wasn't, but Lebron's series was so far below what you expect from him. Also the Lakers losing wasn't all Kobe's fault despite what the detractors say. The rest of the team outside of Shaq shoot 33%, Malone was injured, Shaq played lazy defensively and on the boards, Payton was just atrocious on both ends of the floor and the Lakers had a weak bench. The biggest blow-out loss came in the game where he only had 13 shots, so it definitely wasn't just him "chucking" for being the reason they lost the series.
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Old 03-17-2013, 12:48 AM   #66
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The Lakers should have won in 2004? I thought they were beat in 5 and that the one game they won (the Kobe 3) was them stealing victory from the jaws of defeat. They were BEAT in every single game. No, they shouldn't have really won that series. Payton sucked and Malone wasn't able to walk. They got destroyed by a vastly superior team.
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Old 03-17-2013, 12:52 AM   #67
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1. Lebron 2012, 2. Wade 2006

3. Melo. Oh wait.
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Old 03-17-2013, 01:36 AM   #68
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Kobe. a rapist should never be MVP. sets a bad example to kids.
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Old 03-17-2013, 03:51 AM   #69
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In that '07 series LeBron averaged 22 ppg, 7 rpg, 6.8 apg, but he shot 35.6%(20% on 3's and 69% from the line) while averaging 5.8 turnovers per game and 22.5 shots per game.

Come on, that's as bad as Kobe's 2004 series, especially when you consider the fact that LeBron's team was swept and the '04 Pistons are very arguably the GOAT defensive team. Granted, Kobe's team was favored to win while Lebron's wasn't, but Lebron's series was so far below what you expect from him. Also the Lakers losing wasn't all Kobe's fault despite what the detractors say. The rest of the team outside of Shaq shoot 33%, Malone was injured, Shaq played lazy defensively and on the boards, Payton was just atrocious on both ends of the floor and the Lakers had a weak bench. The biggest blow-out loss came in the game where he only had 13 shots, so it definitely wasn't just him "chucking" for being the reason they lost the series.

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Old 03-17-2013, 05:46 AM   #70
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07 parker
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96 jordan

When it REALLY, REALLY COUNTS:

Duncan's game 7:

"His complete game is so sound, so fundamnetal, so unnoticed at times, because if he didn't score, people think, 'Well, he didn't do anything,'" Spurs coach Gregg Popovich said. "But he was incredible and he was the force that got it done for us."

"You follow your leader," Spurs guard Tony Parker said. "Timmy is the leader of the team, and he just carried us tonight."

"He put his team on his shoulders and carried them to a championship," Pistons center Ben Wallace said. "That's what the great players do."

"You could tell when he caught the ball, how much more physical he was, getting in position and bumping and grinding and getting shots and making sure he got toward the rim, so that when people came at him he was in good position to open up a teammate," Popovich said.

"A lot of the shots they made, open shots, came as a result of us having a hard time guarding him," Brown said. "That's why he's such a great player."

http://www.nba.com/games/20050623/DETSAS/recap.html

Compared to Kobe's game 7:

"... the more I tried to push, the more it kept getting away from me.

"... I wanted it so bad, and sometimes when you want it so bad, it slips away from you. My guys picked me up. - Kobe

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/recap?gid=2010061713

"Ron Artest was the most valuable player tonight," Phil Jackson said. "He brought life to our team."

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Old 03-17-2013, 06:02 AM   #71
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6/24 in Game 7.
15 rebounds in game 7, FROM A SHOOTING GUARD playing against THE BEST REBOUNDING PG IN THE LEAGUE not to mention he shut down Ray Allen

In otherwords, the GOAT rebounding performance by an SG in the finals
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Old 03-17-2013, 06:16 AM   #72
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^This^

I believe that was one of those, "highest scoring avg. = MVP" quick decisions. It's not that Pierce was a bad choice. It was just that it was by no means clear cut and very debatable.

How about Tony Parker? He's lucky Duncan let him go on his one man wrecking crew mode.

It was a dream match up for Parker who only had to guard scrubs like boobie Gibson and complacent Larry Hughes.
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Old 03-17-2013, 08:16 AM   #73
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"Ron Artest was the most valuable player tonight," Phil Jackson said. "He brought life to our team."

http://www.webcitation.org/5wfrwRtjY

Great, lets give the MVP to World Peace then
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Old 03-17-2013, 11:38 AM   #74
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people discussing the 08 finals and declaring pierce's fmvp as shaky based purely on the numbers arent even getting the full picture- ray also played insanely good defense on kobe in 4th quarters, like some of the best d thats ever been played on kobe. ray should have been fmvp, most people felt like that at the time as well....
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Old 03-17-2013, 11:53 AM   #75
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In that '07 series LeBron averaged 22 ppg, 7 rpg, 6.8 apg, but he shot 35.6%(20% on 3's and 69% from the line) while averaging 5.8 turnovers per game and 22.5 shots per game.

Come on, that's as bad as Kobe's 2004 series
, especially when you consider the fact that LeBron's team was swept and the '04 Pistons are very arguably the GOAT defensive team. Granted, Kobe's team was favored to win while Lebron's wasn't, but Lebron's series was so far below what you expect from him. Also the Lakers losing wasn't all Kobe's fault despite what the detractors say. The rest of the team outside of Shaq shoot 33%, Malone was injured, Shaq played lazy defensively and on the boards, Payton was just atrocious on both ends of the floor and the Lakers had a weak bench. The biggest blow-out loss came in the game where he only had 13 shots, so it definitely wasn't just him "chucking" for being the reason they lost the series.
No, it isn't. You're just quoting stats. No context of what actually happened.

LeBron was option #1, #2, #3, #4, etc...

SAS could afford to load up all their defensive effort on to 1 player because they didn't have to respect any other player on the Cavs. That context matters.

Cleveland had no business being competitive in that series, and they werent. They should have been swept just like they were. It's not like they under performed.
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