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Old 03-16-2013, 02:42 PM   #61
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Who's MVP then? The only other candidate close to him is Durant and he has great teammates as well.

Yeah, Durant (or even Parker before he got injured. Heck, Nash won MVPs with similar numbers) would probably be the best choice. They got it right in 2011 with Rose (although some felt it should have went to Dwight) Won't get into 2012 since that was a lock out season, so the MVP that season will just be a footnote like 1999. But no matter who you go with for MVP this year, it shouldn't be LeBron or Wade. And yes, Durant does have great teammates as well, but the Thunder don't have 3 superstars who are all in their prime, and Westbrook is a great player, but he's no Dwyane Wade, and not to mention they don't have a 3rd option anywhere close to a Chris Bosh.
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Old 03-16-2013, 02:43 PM   #62
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I've said this since "the descion." LeBron should not win MVP unless Miami wins 70 games, or atleast close to 70 games. When LeBron, Wade and Bosh colluded to join forces, everyone was projecting the team to win close to 70 games, or even surpass the '96 Bulls 72 game game record. But once again, they are going to end up underachieving with worse records than the Cavs in 2009 and 2010 when LeBron won back-to-back MVPs. (I believe James even said himself he didn't think he or Wade would win MVP with them being on the same team.)

In short, with a more talented team, LeBron once again like 2011 (when he rightfully didn't win) is going to have fewer wins, and with worse overall stats.

MVP shouldn't automatically = best player on the team with the most wins. Especially when the team has 3 superstars all in their prime.
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Old 03-16-2013, 02:51 PM   #63
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Lebron is about as clear cut an MVP as there has been historically. He fits the bill no matter what angle you look at it from. Best player in the league? Lebron. Best player on the best team? Lebron. Guy who does the most for his team? Lebron.

I'm curious- if Lebron isn't the MVP, then who is in your opinion OP?

*Waits for half-baked, convoluted, nonsensical rambling about how Bean deserves it*

He's even more clear cut than Shaq was in 2001 for example..
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Old 03-16-2013, 02:54 PM   #64
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He's playing on a stacked team, that was the reason they did not to give more to Shaq & Kobe. MVP award is a JOKE.

Kobe deserved 0 MVPs. Duncan and Shaq deserved more though.
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Old 03-16-2013, 02:55 PM   #65
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just another pathetic kobe stan excuse
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just another pathetic kobe stan excuse

trolling time LOL

It's been a real tough go for Kobe groupies as of late. The Heat haven't lost since the Super Bowl. LeBron is locked for a unanimous 4th NBA MVP, and Wade will have his 2nd finals MVP after the playoffs conclude.

Meanwhile, Kobe is clinging onto the 8th seed, while playing with 3 Hall of famers.

Ouch.
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That's a silly benchmark to set for an MVP award. How many teams in NBA history have won 70 games? That's the benchmark for GOAT status, MVP standards are nowhere near that stringent.

It's the bench mark for the 2011 and 2013 Heat team because 2 of the 3 best players in the entire NBA and another top 15-20 player/top 5 player at his position in the NBA all colluded to join forces.
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:11 PM   #68
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trolling time LOL
Meanwhile, Kobe is clinging onto the 8th seed, while playing with 3 Hall of famers.


trolling time LOL

But he has 5 rings with only 1 HOF teammate per title team. Unmatched in history
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Keep reaching with them arbitrary benchmarks, playboy. They don't hold any weight.
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It's the bench mark for the 2011 and 2013 Heat team because 2 of the 3 best players in the entire NBA and another top 15-20 player/top 5 player at his position in the NBA all colluded to join forces.

That's a stupid and arbitrary benchmark, like I already pointed out. Plenty of teams had stacked rosters historically. How many times did Russell's/Bird's Celtics, Magic's/Wilt's/Shaq's Lakers, etc win 70 games? It's only been done once and as coincidence would have it, the best player on that team is universally regarded as the GOAT.

Just because you throw all stars/HOFers on a team, it doesn't automatically guarantee success as we've seen this season with the Lakers (as well as in the past with Rockets when they acquired Pippen and Barkley, and the '04 Lakers... although they at least made the finals, they were crowned by many as the best team ever and a lock to break the wins record when they first came together).

Name one player who has a better case for MVP than Lebron.

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Old 03-16-2013, 03:18 PM   #71
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Ok, now name me one player who deserves it more than Lebron.
in b4 kobe
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:19 PM   #72
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That's a stupid and arbitrary benchmark, like I already pointed out. Plenty of teams had stacked rosters historically. How many times did Russell's/Bird's Celtics, Magic's/Wilt's Lakers, Shaq's Lakers, etc win 70 games? It's only been done once and as coincidence would have it, the best player on that team is universally regarded as the GOAT.

Just because you throw all stars/MVPs on a team, it doesn't automatically guarantee success as we've seen this season with the Lakers (as well as in the past with Rockets when they acquired Pippen and Barkley, and the '04 Lakers... although they at least made the finals, they were crowned by many as the best team ever and a lock to break the wins record when they first came together).

Name one player who has a better case for MVP than Lebron.

Dude thats the problem he cant.

riphtetik after my post got scared and couldnt answer just like this guy he just like other trolls chooses to ignore the posts he doesnt like or he ignores posts that he cant answer
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:22 PM   #73
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Default Re: should dwyane wades resurection/take over/heat streak cost lebron mvp?

Make an argument for a player over Lebron for MVP. I'll wait
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:23 PM   #74
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2005 nash ( best player duncan*kobe injured )


**** your a little faggo't pointing out the kobe was injured as if that makes any difference you little ****
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:26 PM   #75
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i mean common.. the heat are a near 60 win team without lebron

more deserving guys out there with less help

its not the "most efficient per of the year award" or "best player award"


its the most valuable player to your team award... lebron isnt as valuable as many others to his respective team
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theres a difference between great and unbeatable

if heat break that 33 game win streak... i dont think lebron should ever win another mvp... hes only averaging 26ppg... his rebounds and assists arnt much better than any other year

its just his fg% that people are saying hes having his best season for. and who wouldnt shoot a high fg% on a team that could win 60 games without its best player
Almost every single word of those two posts is beyond stupid.


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How many times has the best player in the league won the MVP over the last 25 years?

2003 duncan ( best player kobe )
Good one.

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i am .. it isnt fair for guys like kobe/hakeem/shaq who should all have multiple mvps
And right there you expose yourself. Another thread for you to bitch about LeBron while sucking Kobe's d**k.

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how about a guy who doesnt have an mvp yet. and has a ton less help... and plays in a way tougher confrence. and is averaging way more points. and has to overcome a cancerous pg that shoots 40%fg's and takes more shots than him. and who lost their 3rd best player via salary dumping for garbage. and whos one of only a few guys in nba history to have a 50/40/90% season ( which is nearly impossible to have if you're leading the nba in scoring.. has it even happend before? )
Durant's played like absolute shit for a month now. Any case he had for the MVP is long, long gone. Westbrook has been OKC's best player (and by a pretty big margin) for a month.

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all i'm trying to do is save the award/ and its history/ the nba's integrity
Bullshit. All you're doing is trying to discredit LeBron while also bitching about Kobe not having more MVP's.

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i doubt it..

i'l still take

over lebrons 4-10 bogus media popularity mvp awards and his asterisk title or any other by this ring chasing colluding trio
LeBron's not winning the MVP because he's so popular. He's winning it because he's that damn good and far and away the best player in the league. And asterisk title? Does the NBA's official record books list that title with an asterisk next to it? Or is that just something else you've convinced yourself of regardless of how stupid it is?


You're the posterboy for ridiculous ISH stans. There's some other stupid stans that post on here more frequently, but you're easily the worst one...or best depending on how you look at it.
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