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Old 03-16-2013, 06:31 AM   #61
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yet wants to credit the 3 rings as his own. And worse is that shaq clearly doesnt him need as evidenced by shaq winning with just a 6th man kobe.

Yet shaq never won a ring till paired up with Kobe. Even then, it took lobe coming a full starter for the rings to come in. So really, if shaq didn't need Kobe, then where are his rings, FMVP's, and MVP award PRIOR to Kobe? Or after him lol? 1 ring after Kobe, which dwhistle was the reason for.
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Old 03-16-2013, 06:45 AM   #62
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Yet shaq never won a ring till paired up with Kobe. Even then, it took lobe coming a full starter for the rings to come in. So really, if shaq didn't need Kobe, then where are his rings, FMVP's, and MVP award PRIOR to Kobe? Or after him lol? 1 ring after Kobe, which dwhistle was the reason for.
Kobe already addressed this dumbass
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maybe it wasn't Kobe that helped Shaq finally get a ring, ever thought of that? Maybe it was the Lakers organization. maybe it was the front office building a real formidable team around Shaq. maybe it was Phil Jackson. Shaq went to Miami and still won. then went to Suns and Cavs but didn't again. see a pattern? shitty organizations never win.
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:04 AM   #63
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Great read , thanks for posting.
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Old 03-16-2013, 07:28 AM   #64
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Yet shaq never won a ring till paired up with Kobe. Even then, it took lobe coming a full starter for the rings to come in. So really, if shaq didn't need Kobe, then where are his rings, FMVP's, and MVP award PRIOR to Kobe? Or after him lol? 1 ring after Kobe, which dwhistle was the reason for.

maybe coz of injuries. All i know is shaq won with just a 6th man kobe and shaq too made the finals in his 2nd or 3rd yr.
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:07 PM   #65
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Yet shaq never won a ring till paired up with Kobe. Even then, it took lobe coming a full starter for the rings to come in. So really, if shaq didn't need Kobe, then where are his rings, FMVP's, and MVP award PRIOR to Kobe? Or after him lol? 1 ring after Kobe, which dwhistle was the reason for.

As we all know, if something happened a certain way, such as Shaq winning his first ring with Kobe, then that was the only way universally possible that that something could've happened.
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:08 PM   #66
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Lebron James winning a hypothetical title with prime Shaq and 10 scrubs is more impressive than Lebron James winning a hypothetical title with 11 other all star players.

Teammates strength matters, Finals mvp doesn't. Basketball isn't a 2 on 2 game.

Apparently every player in the league is either an all-star or a scrub/D-League player. There's no in between.
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:17 PM   #67
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couldn't have said it better myself.

Well balanced Teams kicking on all cylinders win championships!

If you aint a leader, NUMERO UNO option, then you are just part of a well oiled machine.

Kobe can be credited for just 1 ring 2009 ring. (HINT: 6/24 in Game 7 for 2010)

LBJ can be credited for 1 ring too cuz he was clearly a leader of well oiled machine called MIAMI HEAT in 2012.
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Old 03-16-2013, 03:20 PM   #68
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Old 03-16-2013, 06:02 PM   #69
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Apparently every player in the league is either an all-star or a scrub/D-League player. There's no in between.

Do you know what the word hypothetical means?
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Do you know what the word hypothetical means?

My bad, but it did sound like you were implying that Kobe won with Shaq and 10 scrubs, while Lebron had 11 all star teammates. Either way, I don't really understand why we are arguing team strength here when Lebrons title was clearly more impressive the any of Kobe's first 3 and probably his last two as well, Finals MVP or not.
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My bad, but it did sound like you were implying that Kobe won with Shaq and 10 scrubs, while Lebron had 11 all star teammates. Either way, I don't really understand why we are arguing team strength here when Lebrons title was clearly more impressive the any of Kobe's first 3 and probably his last two as well, Finals MVP or not.

Not based on strength of teammates
Not based on strength of defenses faced
Not based on strength of opponents faced

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Not based on strength of teammates
Not based on strength of defenses faced
Not based on strength of opponents faced

but based on performance, you know... the most important thing
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but based on performance, you know... the most important thing

Kobe's performance during the first 3 peat in the playoffs is on par with many other legends.

This entire conversation was born out of the desire to ignore performance and instead focus on not strength of teammates altogether but rather Finals MVP and/or mythical best player on the team status. Now you are telling me performance is what is most important.
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Kobe's performance during the first 3 peat in the playoffs is on par with many other legends.

This entire conversation was born out of the desire to ignore performance and instead focus on not strength of teammates altogether but rather Finals MVP and/or mythical best player on the team status. Now you are telling me performance is what is most important.
Why should being the best be ignored? I think its an important to note who the best player is on every championship team
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Old 03-16-2013, 06:57 PM   #75
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When you a top 3 player in the game (Top 2 in my opinion - but Duncan is debatable) and you're actually a better player in some series than supposedly the most dominant center ever in the peak of his career - you don't just write that off as a sidekick accomplishment.

There needs to be a little context to every story.
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