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Old 03-15-2013, 07:48 PM   #16
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lmao, the fan of lebron james is the one who says rings don't matter, then adds in "bosh was injured"


Winning Finals MVP does matter. Kobe wasn't the best player of the 2000-2002 Lakers. LBJ was the best player of the 2012 Miami Heat in the regular season, playoffs, and in the Finals.
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:52 PM   #17
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Winning Finals MVP does matter. Kobe wasn't the best player of the 2000-2002 Lakers.



Lebron James winning a hypothetical title with prime Shaq and 10 scrubs is more impressive than Lebron James winning a hypothetical title with 11 other all star players.

Teammates strength matters, Finals mvp doesn't. Basketball isn't a 2 on 2 game.

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Old 03-15-2013, 07:55 PM   #18
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I love how Kobe makes it seem like playing with Shaq was some sort of burden or some shit.
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Old 03-15-2013, 07:56 PM   #19
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Winning Finals MVP does matter. Kobe wasn't the best player of the 2000-2002 Lakers. LBJ was the best player of the 2012 Miami Heat in the regular season, playoffs, and in the Finals.
Yet still needed the help of Top 2 SG Wade and Top 5 PF Bosh, what type of best player is that? They basically handed him the ring, and he got all the credit.

Oh, don't forget... 5>1*
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Old 03-15-2013, 08:01 PM   #20
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Lebron James winning a hypothetical title with prime Shaq and 10 scrubs is more impressive than Lebron James winning a hypothetical title with 11 other all star players.

Teammates strength matters, Finals mvp doesn't. Basketball isn't a 2 on 2 game.


Who's the other 11 star players? I know you guys never play or touch a basketball in your entire life, but this is a very stupid logic.

Prime Shaq is the most dominant finals performer in NBA History. Lakers won an NBA Championship with an injured Kobe Bryant in the 2000 NBA Finals. Kobe averaged 15.6 ppg in under 40 FG% againts the Pacers.
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Old 03-15-2013, 08:05 PM   #22
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Yet still needed the help of Top 2 SG Wade and Top 5 PF Bosh, what type of best player is that? They basically handed him the ring, and he got all the credit.

Oh, don't forget... 5>1*


LeBron was Miami's best player from the first round of the playoffs up to the NBA Finals.

Watch the 2012 NBA Playoffs run on youtube. Enough of this asterisk bull$hit. Miami beat the best team in the Western Conference in the NBA Finals. Thunder swept the defending NBA Champion in the first round, abused the Lakers in the 2nd round, and came back from a 0-2 deficit againts a veteran Spurs team in the conference finals.
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Who's the other 11 star players? I know you guys never play or touch a basketball in your entire life, but this is a very stupid logic.

Prime Shaq is the most dominant finals performer in NBA History. Lakers won an NBA Championship with an injured Kobe Bryant in the 2000 NBA Finals. Kobe averaged 15.6 ppg in under 40 FG% againts the Pacers.

The redeem team. Those are his teammates. Lebron wins the Finals MVP. Are you super impressed?

Meanwhile Lebron is paired with prime Shaq and 10 D league players. They win the title yet Shaq wins the Finals MVP. For the postseason Lebron averages 29/7/6.

Why would it be more impressive for Lebron to win with amazing teammates than with weaker ones?

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The redeem team. Those are his teammates. Lebron wins the Finals MVP. Are you super impressed?

Meanwhile Lebron is paired with prime Shaq and 10 D league players. They win the title yet Shaq wins the Finals MVP. For the postseason Lebron averages 29/7/6.

Why would it be more impressive for Lebron to win with amazing teammates than with weaker ones?
No one except delusional Kobe fans think LeBron's 2012 playoffs wasn't super impessive.

LOL @ acting like Peak Shaq isn't a ridiculous amount of help.
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The redeem team. Those are his teammates. Lebron wins the Finals MVP. Are you super impressed?

Meanwhile Lebron is paired with prime Shaq and 10 D league players. They win the title yet Shaq wins the Finals MVP.

Why would it be more impressive for Lebron to win with amazing teammates than with weaker ones?


LeBron and Wade were the best players of the redeem team. Bird and Magic won multiple NBA titles with all star teammates and MVP/MVP Candidates.

Bird played with Mchale, Parish, former finals MVP Dennis Johnson, Danny Ainge, and a bunch of good role players. Magic also had a very good supporting casts. ( Kareem, Worthy, Nixon, Scott, and etc.) These 2 teams dominated the 1980's because they were the most stacked and talented teams of all time.
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No one except delusional Kobe fans think LeBron's 2012 playoffs wasn't super impessive.

LOL @ acting like Peak Shaq isn't a ridiculous amount of help.
How impressive?

Look at who they played in the weak east- not one superstar, injuries to Rose and Dwight, Lebron had Wade and Bosh, and played the youngest team in NBA finals history. So impressive.
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Old 03-15-2013, 08:24 PM   #27
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No one except delusional Kobe fans think LeBron's 2012 playoffs wasn't super impessive.

LOL @ acting like Peak Shaq isn't a ridiculous amount of help.

Its a ridiculous amount of help if it was a 2 on 2 tournament. But its not.

Unlike other NBA legends those Kobe/Shaq teams featured

- no 3rd HOFer
- no 3rd all star
- no all defensive team level role players
- no great shooters
- weak benches

Its not a ridiculous amount of help by any reasonable definition of the word.
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No one except delusional Kobe fans think LeBron's 2012 playoffs wasn't super impessive.

LOL @ acting like Peak Shaq isn't a ridiculous amount of help.


I'll trade Bosh and Wade for Prime Shaq. Prime Shaq would be the best player in today's NBA.
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LeBron and Wade were the best players of the redeem team. Bird and Magic won multiple NBA titles with all star teammates and MVP/MVP Candidates.

Bird played with Mchale, Parish, former finals MVP Dennis Johnson, Danny Ainge, and a bunch of good role players. Magic also had a very good supporting casts. ( Kareem, Worthy, Nixon, Scott, and etc.) These 2 teams dominated the 1980's because they were the most stacked and talented teams of all time.

Yet Kobe wins 5 titles with just one HOF teammate per title team and its his teams that get the "stacked" label.
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If Kobe had never played with Shaq, would his numbers/stat line be similar to MJ and LeBron like he is alluding to?

Kobe wouldn't have matched the numbers early on, IMO, but his overall career numbers would be better... I don't know how much better, but there would be a clear difference.

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great quote.

I agree, but I also think people look for context when they haven't seen the performances at hand and numbers are what they got to work with.
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