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Old 03-04-2013, 02:41 PM   #31
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I hate long replies...anyway I agree and dont agree with the things u said like court awarness and decsion making, Kobe is great in those aspects, he hardly creates turn overs from the post and usually finds the open guy and as far as consistency goes, its difficult for Kobe to contantly play in the post with 7 footers who live in the post, Im sure if he had bo offensive bigs u could very well run the offense through him down low.

Andgar broke it down pretty well, especially with regards to the consistency aspect of it. You spoke to footwork, both of them had/have amazing footwork but why Kobe has to use 'more' footwork to get himself open to due to not having the natural athletic advantages that Jordan had. MJ could back you down a few times, fake one way and then jump back 10 feet off one foot, basically un-guardable. In simple terms, he needed to do less to get off a good shot, so perhaps it looks more basic but he was every bit capable of using 'fancy' footwork depending on the situation.
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:41 PM   #32
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That falls under the decision making category. Maybe his team would be more successful if he'd actually feed his big men.
U want him to feed his bigs from the post when the defense is zoning the paint?
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Old 03-04-2013, 02:43 PM   #33
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Default Re: Michael Jordan in the post. Amazing compilation.

Kobe's post game is better than Jordan's because it's more versatile and he can get to the basket with his post game. Kobe's post game is like a bigs. MJ's post game only resulted in a jumper or fade away.

As many of you on ISH know that Kobe highlights come up often and many times these dunks you see him put on people are from the post.

A recent memory is Kobe destroying Crawford in the post for a dunk. Last night he almost got one off the post as well. Kobe's post game allows him to get to the basket where MJ was purely to get his fade and jumper on.

Two different styles by 2 great players.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ8qMjaEqRM

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Old 03-04-2013, 02:49 PM   #34
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Hey Dragon the concensus is that Hakeem was the better post player than Shaq, same point were making, Shaq didnt need all of Hakeems post moves because he was physically better but it still does not take Hakeems title.
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Old 03-04-2013, 03:03 PM   #35
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U want him to feed his bigs from the post when the defense is zoning the paint?

Then make your outside shots. Oh that's right, he'd rather look cool for the cameras, and do a 360 fade away bank shot.
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Old 03-04-2013, 03:06 PM   #36
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Hey Dragon the concensus is that Hakeem was the better post player than Shaq, same point were making, Shaq didnt need all of Hakeems post moves because he was physically better but it still does not take Hakeems title.

That's not a good comparison. Shaq and Hakeem were completely different players in terms of post-game, one relying far more on brute force while one relied purely on skill,fundamentals, footwork. There's alot of similarities, at least visually and stylistically, between MJ and Kobe's postgames.
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Kobe's post game is better than Jordan's because it's more versatile and he can get to the basket with his post game. Kobe's post game is like a bigs. MJ's post game only resulted in a jumper or fade away.

As many of you on ISH know that Kobe highlights come up often and many times these dunks you see him put on people are from the post.
Two different styles by 2 great players.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ8qMjaEqRM

Nearly 20 minutes of footage in the OP, with VIDEO EVIDENCE of Jordan using his postgame to get to the basket, and you're seriously going to make that claim?

Case in point, look at the move he uses against the Lakers at 2:30. That's a move that we've since seen from Kobe, but you're going to say that Jordan's post-game didn't allow him to get to the basket?!


"A recent memory is Kobe destroying Crawford in the post for a dunk. Last night he almost got one off the post as well. [b] Kobe's post game allows him to get to the basket where MJ was purely to get his fade and jumper on."

You mean like what Jordan did at 2:43? Seriously....

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Old 03-04-2013, 03:15 PM   #38
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Jordan is the GOAT and my all time favorite player but I gotta give it to Kobe for having the better post moves and foot work.
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Old 03-04-2013, 03:15 PM   #39
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Nearly 20 minutes of footage in the OP, with VIDEO EVIDENCE of Jordan using his postgame to get to the basket, and you're seriously going to make that claim?

Case in point, look at the move he uses against the Lakers at 2:30. That's a move that we've since seen from Kobe, but you're going to say that Jordan's post-game didn't allow him to get to the basket?!

Let's be honest here, nobody has said he never gets to the basket with it but he doesn't use his post game to specifically do that.

Why do you think people say his fade and turnaround jumpers were automatic?...because that was his freaking bread and butter. His post game that led him to that fade.

Kobe doesn't rely on that fade like MJ. If you watch his game just last night and the night before he was abusing the post inside and out.

Remember when he got those double assist nights in the post? He is better and more versatile than MJ in the post.

I consider MJ the best player ever but let's not say he's head and shoulders above everyone in every category. It gets pathetic.
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That's not a good comparison. Shaq and Hakeem were completely different players in terms of post-game, one relying far more on brute force while one relied purely on skill,fundamentals, footwork. There's alot of similarities, at least visually and stylistically, between MJ and Kobe's postgames.
U, did not get my point, Hakeem needed his post moves to his advantage for the lack of size and strengh, just like In this case u say Kobe is lacking "natural athletic advantages"
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Kobe's post game is better than Jordan's because it's more versatile and he can get to the basket with his post game. Kobe's post game is like a bigs. MJ's post game only resulted in a jumper or fade away.

As many of you on ISH know that Kobe highlights come up often and many times these dunks you see him put on people are from the post.

A recent memory is Kobe destroying Crawford in the post for a dunk. Last night he almost got one off the post as well. Kobe's post game allows him to get to the basket where MJ was purely to get his fade and jumper on.

Two different styles by 2 great players.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJ8qMjaEqRM


It's funny because you still post like people value your opinion or give a shit what you say.
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It's funny because you still post like people value your opinion or give a shit what you say.

thanks for caring.



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U, did not get my point, Hakeem needed his post moves to his advantage for the lack of size and strengh, just like In this case u say Kobe is lacking "natural athletic advantages"

You missed the point that Jordan and Kobe have very similar post-games, whereas Shaq and Hakeem do not.
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Then make your outside shots. Oh that's right, he'd rather look cool for the cameras, and do a 360 fade away bank shot.
Huh?
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Default Re: Michael Jordan in the post. Amazing compilation.

Very interesting video, repd. Myself, as a guard who loves to post up, I saved this video for future studying ,l like I did with a lot of Hakeems videos. One thing that was clear from the start, that MJ rarely overdribbles as he has an amazing court awareness. Never seen anybody use the space he has to operate that effectively. MJ killed the guys mostly with smart first step and strong finishing moves after picking up the rock, Hakeem on the other hand had great moves while keeping dribbling the ball.

Just stating the obvious now: his fadeaway is a masterpiece.
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