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Old 07-06-2013, 07:37 AM   #46
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Default Re: Still not ready to fire Grunwald?

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Andrea Bargnani is not expected to return to the Raptors next season, according to the Toronto Sun.
We'll file this under "obvious." Bargnani has two seasons remaining on his contract, and it's going to be very difficult to trade him in the offseason for anything of real value. It would be nothing short of shocking to see Bargnani start next season with the Raptors.
Source: Toronto Sun Mar 14 - 8:24 AM

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Sources tell the Toronto Sun that the Raptors would have to include an asset in order to trade Andrea Bargnani.
In other words, the Raptors can't dump Bargnani on his own because other teams don't view him as an asset. The former No. 1 overall pick still has $22.5 million over two years remaining on his contract and is now regarded as little more than a strech-four that's a liability defensively. The Raptors are going to have to get creative -- and take pennies on the dollar -- if they're going to make a trade happen this summer.
Source: Toronto Sun Apr 23 - 4:10 PM

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The Raptors remain interested in trading Andrea Bargnani, according to president Bryan Colangelo.
"I still would say there’s value in Andrea as a player," said Colangelo. "I get the fact that a change of scenery is probably best for all sides. I’ve publicly acknowledged that but, again, the new guy is going to have to decide how to handle it and there are a few options." Colangelo is referencing the new general manager who has yet to be hired, and we'd bet Bargnani starts next season elsewhere. It's hard to see the Raptors getting anything of real value in return for the former No. 1 overall pick.
Source: Toronto Sun May 22 - 8:58 AM

They couldnt give this guy away but some how the Knicks found a way to give up 3 picks for him. It should have been the other way around.
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Old 07-06-2013, 09:20 AM   #47
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Default Re: Still not ready to fire Grunwald?

Cap space, picks, expirers are the tools to make moves.

The Knicks dont currently have the space so they need to get the next 2 in the future. By giving away 3 picks for a player who is trashy and has a bad contract TO the Raps we paid them more than he is worth and BAILED them out. We paid them top price to take on someone they didnt want.

His contract was a 100 times worse for their organization than camby and novak to ours. novak could have been dumped in time for 2015 2016

I dont know how any of this can be explained simpler.


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This isn't the Knicks forum this is the "lets whine and bitch" forum.

A late 1st round pick for a former nº1 draft selection a bad trade? While at the same time you get rid of two bad contracts and improve your 2015 cap space.

Two LATE 2nd round picks, who gives a shit?

Bargs would be amnestied? wtf are people smoking to believe this crap? Why would the Raptors amnesty Bargs when they have a even worse contract with gay?


I would love to see those superstars you guys could get with a late 1st round and 2 late 2nd round picks.



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Old 07-06-2013, 09:21 AM   #48
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They couldnt give this guy away but some how the Knicks found a way to give up 3 picks for him. It should have been the other way around.

Again, two second round picks are practically worthless.

Steve Novak and Camby were practically dead weight on the squad and might as well get a guy who can turn into a key player for us.
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Old 07-06-2013, 09:51 AM   #49
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Again, two second round picks are practically worthless.

Steve Novak and Camby were practically dead weight on the squad and might as well get a guy who can turn into a key player for us.

Just curious, if picks are useless, why do teams buy them?

They are obviously less value than a first rounder, which we freely gave as well, but they have value.
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I'm with Knickscity here. 2nd round picks not only give you a chance to get a diamond in the rough player without them having a guaranteed contract, they also are value in trade scenarios. I'm almost certain quite a few 2nd round picks this year will outplay their 1st round peers this year. A lot of guys we all were interested in dropped to the 2nd while some teams made questionable choices in the 1st. We're a team with limited talent but very little options due to our cap situation, so drafts picks and exceptions are our only real assets. We can't afford to continue to squander them.
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I'm with Knickscity here. 2nd round picks not only give you a chance to get a diamond in the rough player without them having a guaranteed contract, they also are value in trade scenarios. I'm almost certain quite a few 2nd round picks this year will outplay their 1st round peers this year. A lot of guys we all were interested in dropped to the 2nd while some teams made questionable choices in the 1st. We're a team with limited talent but very little options due to our cap situation, so drafts picks and exceptions are our only real assets. We can't afford to continue to squander them.
look no further than Morey and Houston.

Just about ALL of their second rounder are on long term non guaranteed deals.

the player if they play well, get security.

The team gets their bird rights so they will NEVER lose them unless they want to.
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I think the last few years illustrate it best. A high 2nd round pick is as valuable, if not more valuable, than a late 1st. You can get a solid player and if he doesn't pan out, you're not stuck with him for 3 years.
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Default Re: Still not ready to fire Grunwald?

As Knick fans, are we going to continue to be biased and naive about the Nets moves, or are we going to recognize that they have a smarter GM than we do? I mean seriously...Kirilenko as your BACKUP SF? Garnett and Pierce as your 4th and 5th options? Blatche for the minimum. Livingston for the minimum. Those are quality moves. Not making Pablo Shitioni your top priority in Free Agency.
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As Knick fans, are we going to continue to be biased and naive about the Nets moves, or are we going to recognize that they have a smarter GM than we do? I mean seriously...Kirilenko as your BACKUP SF? Garnett and Pierce as your 4th and 5th options? Blatche for the minimum. Livingston for the minimum. Those are quality moves. Not making Pablo Shitioni your top priority in Free Agency.
Not the same thing. The Knicks do not want to pay a large luxury tax. You know this so I dont see the complaint. The Nets owner doesnt mind paying that HEAVY PENALTY.
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Not the same thing. The Knicks do not want to pay a large luxury tax. You know this so I dont see the complaint. The Nets owner doesnt mind paying that HEAVY PENALTY.

Knicks are the most valuable NBA franchise in the league. Besides, Kirilenko signed for the mini mid. Every move other than the trade really didn't cost them any money.
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Knicks are the most valuable NBA franchise in the league. Besides, Kirilenko signed for the mini mid. Every move other than the trade really didn't cost them any money.
Maybe knickcity can explain it better. Knicks ownership has reached their salary threshold.
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I think the last few years illustrate it best. A high 2nd round pick is as valuable, if not more valuable, than a late 1st. You can get a solid player and if he doesn't pan out, you're not stuck with him for 3 years.
A Carmelo team isn't finishing bottom 10. We aren't talking about high 2nds.
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The mini -mle. Is gone but you will find out soon enough who wants to play here or not for the vet minimum.
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Knicks are the most valuable NBA franchise in the league. Besides, Kirilenko signed for the mini mid. Every move other than the trade really didn't cost them any money.
The Knicks are owned by a corporation that only sees profit.

They won't be throwing money away in luxury tax.

They are paying 9 mil this year.

Kirilenko is Russian, so is their owner.

The Nets are a toy to Prok, he really has an open checkbook, not concerned about the luxury tax at all.
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The mini -mle. Is gone but you will find out soon enough who wants to play here or not for the vet minimum.
Boom- that's it. Are we about to sign Chauncey, Gary Neal. The artist formerly kniwn as ron artest, Kenyon Martin and fesenko?


Prob not. It's prob 1 guy decent like a sebas and then Chris smith, dermarr Johnson, and a couple of the same dipshit never string centers they keep bringing back.
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