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Old 02-24-2013, 03:49 AM   #1
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Default Why are there no truly good centers today?

I don't understand why.

There has got to be at least 1 7-footer in the entire world who can be a superstar center.

Dwight is the best by default because there is nobody else.
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Old 02-24-2013, 03:52 AM   #2
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The typical 7 footers will die out due to lack of skill and nutrition. Years ago, a 7 footer would be considered a birth defect. These guys that are as tall as Yao or the bigs of the past will be extinct.

With nutrition and modern medicine, this is going to prevent the freaks we witnessed in the past. We will probably see Centers under 7 feet who possess athleticism better than their predecessors.

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Old 02-24-2013, 03:58 AM   #3
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Birth defects 7 footers are guys like gheorge muresan. gland problems....

yao ming is tall because it was part of his genetic imprint.

But besides being 7 feet tall has virtually no positives unless you play pro basketball.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:01 AM   #4
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Default Re: Why are there no truly good centers today?

Evolution of the next generations of players moving out to the perimeter, and adapting different skill sets. Euro big man invasion, emphasis on versatility, etc.

All these guys were centers, they just played the game differently or were extremely versatile:

Duncan
Garnett
Dirk
Gasol

Growing up, they don't really teach the nuances of the low post game anymore. And it's very sad, it makes basketball so much easier and more efficient when you have moves on the low block. It's quickly becoming a lost art, and lost a position. The powerful center is almost ready to RIP.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:05 AM   #5
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The typical 7 footers will die out due to lack of skill and nutrition. Years ago, a 7 footer would be considered a birth defect. These guys that are as tall as Yao or the bigs of the past will be extinct.

With nutrition and modern medicine, this is going to prevent the freaks we witnessed in the past. We will probably see Centers under 7 feet who possess athleticism better than their predecessors.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:11 AM   #6
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Default Re: Why are there no truly good centers today?

They changed to rules to benefit guards and wing players.



Next question.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:15 AM   #7
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Default Re: Why are there no truly good centers today?

I thought it was common knowledge that it was the rule changes make it more difficult. The league wanted a more perimeter oriented game.

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The typical 7 footers will die out due to lack of skill and nutrition. Years ago, a 7 footer would be considered a birth defect. These guys that are as tall as Yao or the bigs of the past will be extinct.

With nutrition and modern medicine, this is going to prevent the freaks we witnessed in the past. We will probably see Centers under 7 feet who possess athleticism better than their predecessors.

The question would then be why aren't these shorter super athletic centers dominating the same way centers were dominating in the past? It would still all be relative. You have to use your logic and not try to twist and turn things just because you want to put down past eras.

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Old 02-24-2013, 04:16 AM   #8
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I thought it was common knowledge that it was the rule changes make it more difficult. The league was a more perimeter oriented game.
What rule changes and how does it affect the game?
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:22 AM   #9
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I thought it was common knowledge that it was the rule changes make it more difficult. The league was a more perimeter oriented game.



The question would then be why aren't these shorter super athletic centers dominating the same way centers were dominating in the past? It would still all be relative. You have to use your logic and not try to twist and turn things just because you want to put down past eras.

This.

I see "big men" today and they try to play like guards.

I will say this…

Big men today are probably more versatile than their predecessors. But is that necessarily a good thing?

And while the game does favor guards, a good big man IS a good big man. Some of us have trashed Dwight and laughed at his weak game. Yet he still puts up impressive numbers even tho he's "injured". The fact remains that there simply isn't many good centers today, because big men (in general) try to play like guards.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:35 AM   #10
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Some of these 6'9" and above NBA players wants to play in the perimeter. I hope these HS and College coaches will teach these kids the fundamentals of post play.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:37 AM   #11
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Because they suck.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:40 AM   #12
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Its a bit like the current boxing HW situation where there is literally 2 decent Heavyweights and nothing else, some of it could be rules but it could just be a generation thing, for example we just had a golden generation of basketball C's in the 90's-early 2000's and now its gone. Things go in cycles and now is just a down cycle for NBA centres.
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Old 02-24-2013, 04:40 AM   #13
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And so it begins...

http://www.fantasysp.com/player/nba/...econd-straight

Before you know it, there will be no true PF anymore.
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Old 02-24-2013, 06:15 AM   #14
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Our generations centers have been plagued with injuries (perhaps due to the modern playing style?).

Yao, Oden, and Bynum were three very talented centers who could've been 20/10 type players if they weren't injured so often. Greg Monroe comes close and Drummond could be the next big thing too. Nerlens Noel recently received a serious injury but could be a Mutumbo/Russell/Camby type center if healthy.

So, if everyone were healthy, you'd have Dwight, Yao, Oden, Bynum, Noel, Monroe, and Drummond running the center position. That's not too bad. It's not Hakeem or Kareem but I feel Dwight is a better Alonzo, Yao and Oden could've been top 5-10 centers, and the other guys could/would be multiple all-stars.
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Old 02-24-2013, 06:32 AM   #15
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Default Re: Why are there no truly good centers today?

No one mentions LaMarcus, Marc Gasol, Al Jeff....

Not only the rule changes but lack of Center development no low post moves and it's amazing how guards do not have the ability to pass into the block.
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