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Old 02-22-2013, 05:21 PM   #31
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Default Re: Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

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Best PG in the league the past 3 seasons BY FAR. A full tier above the others. Criminally underrated.
But not MVP talk. Not as long as Lebron lives. If Lebron wasnt on planet earth? Maybe then. But naw.
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Old 02-22-2013, 05:22 PM   #32
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That might be what you wish it to mean but that's not how its actually been awarded historically.
Yes it has. It is virtually impossible to measure valuability on their team relative to other's valuability to their team.
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Old 02-22-2013, 05:22 PM   #33
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Spurs 44-12
Heat 38-14

Did anybody think that Derick Rose had the best stats when he won MVP?

All i see here is the reason Pop should be COY.
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Old 02-22-2013, 05:23 PM   #34
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Correlation does not imply causation. 3 of the past 4 MVP's being on the best team means nothing.

What happened with that other MVP? Why was it not 4 of 4?
Along with MVP-caliber stats, you just have to be in a top 2 seeded team in your respective conferences. Not necessarily best NBA record. Preferably on a #1 seed team though but there's been two MVPs since 2000 that were on #2 seeds.
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Default Re: Its baffling how Tony Parker isn't the favorite for MVP

OP acting like a girl again. Deal with it.
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Old 02-22-2013, 05:24 PM   #36
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Correlation does not imply causation. 3 of the past 4 MVP's being on the best team means nothing.

What happened with that other MVP? Why was it not 4 of 4?

If being on the best team means nothing. Please explain how Derick Rose took home 98% of 1st place votes a couple of years ago.
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All i see here is the reason Pop should be COY.
Yep. Just a week ago the Spurs sat Parker, Duncan and Ginobili, and they beat the Bulls by 14. When they sat all of them earlier in the season, they lost to Miami by only 5.
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If being on the best team means nothing. Please explain how Derick Rose took home 98% of 1st place votes a couple of years ago.

What you are missing is the "unexpected" factor. If the Spurs had sucked last year and then Parker had led them to this season he'd probably get the MVP.

Expectations play a big role.

Expectations, level of play, team record, signature moments...etc. It also matters how better your record is. If it's a meaningless 2 games or something it just isn't enough to trump superior individual play. If the Spurs win like 10 more games than the Heat and Thunder...that might do it.

Expectations though...that is what you are missing.
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Yes it has. It is virtually impossible to measure valuability on their team relative to other's valuability to their team.

That's why Shaq and Kobe have the same number of MVPs as Iverson, Rose and Dirk and less than Nash.
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That's why Shaq and Kobe have the same number of MVPs as Iverson, Rose and Dirk and less than Nash.

When did Kobe really deserve MVP and not get it? I honestly can't think of one year.
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What you are missing is the "unexpected" factor. If the Spurs had sucked last year and then Parker had led them to this season he'd probably get the MVP.

Expectations play a big role.

Expectations, level of play, team record, signature moments...etc. It also matters how better your record is. If it's a meaningless 2 games or something it just isn't enough to trump superior individual play. If the Spurs win like 10 more games than the Heat and Thunder...that might do it.

Expectations though...that is what you are missing.

You expected to the Spurs to have a better record than the Heat at this point in the season? I didn't.
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When did Kobe really deserve MVP and not get it? I honestly can't think of one year.

He didn't "deserve" it because his teams record wasn't worthy. That's the point.
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You expected to the Spurs to have a better record than the Heat at this point in the season? I didn't.

It's not about that. It's about the fact that nobody is surprised that the Spurs a great record. When Rose won...it was in large part because the Bulls blew expectations out of the water.

Are we really going to sit here and say it is crazy that the Spurs might win 63 games or something given the last 2 years?
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He didn't "deserve" it because his teams record wasn't worthy. That's the point.

Exactly. And Lebron's team record is absolutely worthy of him getting MVP. Do you honestly dispute that?
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That's why Shaq and Kobe have the same number of MVPs as Iverson, Rose and Dirk and less than Nash.
But I thought the best player on the best team always wins?
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