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Old 02-11-2013, 05:15 PM   #1
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Default The false notion that Miami is the worst rebounding team and will suffer for it

in the playoffs.

#1. The only rebounding stat that matters is rebounding "differential", as it's for the games the Heat actually play. Moreover it's not based on false data but actual pace of the team and other factors. The Heat are 20th in rebounding differential, not last in the league.

#2. We've seen it time and time again ( see Bulls series and big teams when it mattered) the Heat adjust and crash the boards effectively. Two years ago Lakers fans were reveling before the match up in Miami how the Lakers were going to blow away Miami on the boards with the Bynum/Gasol/Odom frontcourt. This was their key to the game. At the end of the game the Lakers only outrebounded Miami by 4 or 5, and it was of no consequence to the final outcome with Miami winning the game, and Miami outrebounding the Lakers frontcourt during the pivotal 4th quarter of that game. The Heat ending an extra man every time and Mike Miller seeing more minutes for that game and crashing the boards for 8 rebounds was part of it.

#3. The Heat were ranked in the top 10 for rebounding the past 2 seasons with basically the same cast.

#4. Birdman is now a member of the Heat and he has been averaging 18 boards per 48 minutes with Miami. He is getting himself in shape and will see more minutes when it counts (benches shorten in the playoffs and we all know Birdman will be a big part of that short bench because of the position he plays).

#5. We have yet to see Birdman and Bosh play together this season, we all know they will see ample time together in the playoffs in spurts when Miami needs some rebounding. Every year we see Miami do things differently in the playoffs compared to the regular season. Miami doesn't show all their cards during the regular season, Pat Riley isn't stupid.

#6. Mike Miller is one of the best SF/SG rebounders in the NBA per minute. The Heat are saving him for the postseason when it counts. Whenever he comes in the Heat look much better in the rebounding department.

#7. The Heat are ranked in the Top 12 in the NBA for rebounding since Birdman joined the team. Rebounding is contagious, and Birdman has had an effect on the entire team, not just with his play but how contagious it's been (Miami outrebounding just about every opponent, including some Top 7 rebounding teams since Birdman joined the Heat)

#8. It's obvious the Heat are coasting for much of the regular season. This affects rebounding totals. Why burn themselves out before the playoffs. Let the Bulls do that so they'll be spent for the playoffs while other teams raise their intensity a couple notches.

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in games where Andersen has played more than 10 minutes, Miami averaged 9.2 offensive rebounds. The "Birdman" himself is putting up 3.7 points and snatching four rebounds for the Heat, all in 10.8 minutes per contest.

He's crashing the offensive glass with 1.7 per game, which almost matches Chris Bosh's average; he leads the Heat in offensive rebounding with two per game. After Andersen, there is Udonis Haslem with 1.3. Considering Bosh's 33.8 minutes and UD's 19.5, he's doing a fantastic job.

In terms of an overall team effect, Miami is better defensively with Andersen in the game. With him on the bench, the Heat allow 104.2 points per 100 possessions, which contrasts vastly to the 96.7 rating when he's on the court. The team's shot-blocking is also affected, as it boosts from their usual five per contest to 8.1 per 48 minutes.

The Heat are just fine at rebounding. With Birdman aboard, and with some of the most talented rebounders at their position for pace (Wade, Lebron, Miller, Haslem chipping in), sending an extra guy to crash the boards as we've seen time and time again with this team, and proper adjustments by the coaching staff, Miami will be fine rebounding.

The Heat haters are grasping at straws if they think rebounding will be a huge issue in the playoffs.

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Old 02-11-2013, 05:26 PM   #2
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Default Re: The false notion that Miami is the worst rebounding team and will suffer for it

I agree that Birdman will help do all the hustle/dirty work and clean the boards. Also credit their defense and ability to force turnovers --- which then converts to easy fast break points/layups/dunks.
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Old 02-15-2013, 11:19 AM   #3
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Default Re: The false notion that Miami is the worst rebounding team and will suffer for it

Since this thread was created after Miami outrebounded the Clippers, and then trashed the Lakers on the boards by 9.... the Heat have outrebounded Portland (with a 10-4 advantage for offensive rebounds), and the Heat outrebounded OKC last night by 11 total rebounds, and had a 13-5 advantage on the offensive boards.

Since Birdman joined the Heat way back before the Brooklyn and Detroit games, the Heat are Top 10 for rebounding (as they were the last 2 years), and the Heat have outrebounded almost every opponent they have played..

If anyone thinks Miami is not a good rebounding team they need their head examined.
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Default Re: The false notion that Miami is the worst rebounding team and will suffer for it

Every championship team have their weaknesses. It's how they compensate for it in other areas that make them great. This Heat team is a great team.
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:47 PM   #6
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Default Re: The false notion that Miami is the worst rebounding team and will suffer for it

What will matter is when they go up against teams with size in the East playoffs.

The last time they played the Pacers (with Birdman), they got beat on the boards 34-25 and lost the game. The time before that was 55-36 ans another loss.

Last time they played Chicago they got smoked 48-28 and lost.

Those are major drubbings on the board. And why they are 0-3 against those two teams.


These are the teams they need to worry about, not the Lakers like you mentioned who may not even make the playoffs let alone face Miami in the Finals.


Meanwhile it's pretty much their only weakness, so assuming they can at least stay competitive on the boards (I highly doubt they outrebound Chicago or Indy) they will be fine. Then again.. Indy is getting back Granger soon and will only be more dangerous and have even more size.

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Old 02-15-2013, 12:55 PM   #7
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What will matter is when they go up against teams with size in the East playoffs.

The last time they played the Pacers (with Birdman), they got beat on the boards 34-25 and lost the game. The time before that was 55-36 ans another loss.

Last time they played Chicago they got smoked 48-28 and lost.

Those are major drubbings on the board. And why they are 0-3 against those two teams.


These are the teams they need to worry about, not the Lakers like you mentioned who may not even make the playoffs let alone face Miami in the Finals.


Meanwhile it's pretty much their only weakness, so assuming they can at least stay competitive on the boards (I highly doubt they outrebound Chicago or Indy) they will be fine.

#1) The Heat didn't' even look like they tried in the last Indy game. Didn't send an extra man to attack the boards and other factors that we saw when Miami played Indiana in the playoffs (WITHOUT BOSH BTW and Miami still had no problem winning the series).

#2) We have yet to see Birdman and Bosh on the court together, and we will see plenty of that when it counts in the playoffs, as Spo has already given indications of with the media.

#3) You obviously didn't read the original post how the Heat adjust in the playoffs. Riley isn't stupid

#4) We heard the same arguments 2 years ago how the Bulls frontcourt and #1 ranked rebounding team would demolish the Heat on the boards in the ECF series. Well, it didn't happen, and before that series I broke down the reasons why, and I was correct on all accounts.
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Also credit their defense and ability to force turnovers --- which then converts to easy fast break points/layups/dunks.

This is the part that EVERYBODY seems to forget.
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#1) The Heat didn't' even look like they tried in the last Indy game. Didn't send an extra man to attack the boards and other factors that we saw when Miami played Indiana in the playoffs (WITHOUT BOSH BTW and Miami still had no problem winning the series).

#2) We have yet to see Birdman and Bosh on the court together, and we will see plenty of that when it counts in the playoffs, as Spo has already given indications of with the media.

#3) You obviously didn't read the original post how the Heat adjust in the playoffs. Riley isn't stupid

#4) We heard the same arguments 2 years ago how the Bulls frontcourt and #1 ranked rebounding team would demolish the Heat on the boards in the ECF series. Well, it didn't happen, and before that series I broke down the reasons why, and I was correct on all accounts.

1. If you just want to make excuses like the Heat didn't try, I'm not going to waste my time. If you want to troll look elsewhere, but if you want to talk seriously I'm game.
Indy has averaged a 14 rebound advantage over Miami in 2 games.. both wins. Spin it all you want, that is still problematic and certainly a concern. If they just assume they can beat Indy because they did last post season and don't make adjustments based upon the drubbing they've received on the boards then they are in trouble.

2. You are putting way too much stock in an older, inconsistent amnesty victim. The honeymoon won't last forever. Sure he was worth the risk, but if you think Birdman will save you on the glass and be productive for more than 10 minutes a night, you are sadly mistaken.

3. Wow.. teams adjust in the playoffs? I had no idea. Is it just Miami or do other teams as well? This changes everything.. as does your comment about Riley. But what does the president/GM's intelligence have to do with how Spo will coach the team?

4. Miami was the third best rebounding team that season.
How is this even comparable?
Meanwhile Chicago was a very young team. Their front court of Noah, Boozer and Taj is much more experienced and better than they were then.
But I'd still like to read your post.. please provide a link.
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ok the heat are incredibly stacked. What's your point that they're goi g to win it all. Well no sh1t...
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