rings don't always define a players career.......................................duh

[kennethgriffin]

but it helps allot.


where would barkley with 5 rings rank all time ( not his current 15-20 spot )

where would baylor with 5 rings rank all time ( not his current 12-15 spot )

where would karl malone with 5 rings rank all time ( not his current 15-20 spot )



yes lebron. we know there are great players without rings. but theres a big difference between top 20 great and rare legendary status i.e. kobe/jordan

and all 3 of those guys would be on that level with 5 rings

baylor with 5-6 rings would be arguable goat

[bmulls]

And Kobe riding finals MVP Shaq to 3 rings doesn't mean anything?

[Kingwillball]

Lebron finishes with 1 rings he is top 10-15, he finishes with 3 Rings he is top 7, He finishes with 5 or 6 Rings he is Easily top 3 all time.

[kennethgriffin]

Originally Posted by bmulls

And Kobe riding finals MVP Shaq to 3 rings doesn't mean anything?

23/5/5 in 2000 playoffs
29/7/6 in 2001 playoffs
27/6/5 in 2002 playoffs


how is this any different than a kareem non finals mvp title

[kennethgriffin]

Originally Posted by Kingwillball

Lebron finishes with 1 rings he is top 10-15, he finishes with 3 Rings he is top 7, He finishes with 5 or 6 Rings he is Easily top 3 all time.

thats the difference between kobe and lebron in a nutshell

kobe with 1 more ring is top 3 all time

lebron with 5 more rings is top 3 all time


lol goodluck

[imnew09]

Last time I checked, you were dissing Kobe. GTFO U FAKER!

[Lebron23]

[ThaRegul8r]

Originally Posted by kennethgriffin

where would barkley with 5 rings rank all time ( not his current 15-20 spot )

where would baylor with 5 rings rank all time ( not his current 12-15 spot )

where would karl malone with 5 rings rank all time ( not his current 15-20 spot )

My question to all these scenarios is: How do the players in question play in these scenarios? That's the pertinent detail people always leave out in these hypotheticals.

[HardwoodLegend]

Originally Posted by kennethgriffin

23/5/5 in 2000 playoffs
29/7/6 in 2001 playoffs
27/6/5 in 2002 playoffs


how is this any different than a kareem non finals mvp title

It's different due to Kareem's efficiency and status as the defensive anchor on the team.

All LeBron really needs to achieve to be equal with Kobe is another ring and Finals MVP.

[kennethgriffin]

Originally Posted by HardwoodLegend

It's different due to Kareem's efficiency and status as the defensive anchor on the team.

All LeBron really needs to achieve to be equal with Kobe is another ring and Finals MVP.

lol kobe was the main play maker, main ball handler, top defensive ranked player( 1st team defense ), main clutch player on the lakers for those 3 titles. and ontop of it he dropped 25-30 points

lmao

like i said... no difference between those 3 and kareems 4 as non finals mvp


when its multiple legends. only 1 can win finals mvp. and shaq just did a bit more when it mattered most.

the east had crap representatives in the finals. shaq took full advantage.

when the west was tight. kobe had the best stats against the real competition


no one ever says kareem only has 2 rings

right?

[Mr. Jabbar]

[BMOGEFan]

Originally Posted by Kingwillball

Lebron finishes with 1 rings he is top 10-15, he finishes with 3 Rings he is top 7, He finishes with 5 or 6 Rings he is Easily top 3 all time.

Not when you conspire with 2 top 5 players at the time to make a super team.

No one will respect someone who did that.

and in my opinion, he will never be goat.

[KG215]

Originally Posted by kennethgriffin

kobe with 1 more ring is top 3 all time

No, he's not.

Originally Posted by kennethgrifin

lol kobe was top defensive ranked player( 1st team defense)

That doesn't mean he was the "higher ranked" or better and more impactful defender on those teams.

[francesco totti]

it is a way of measurement ( rings), but not the only tool for measurement..
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[tazb]

Originally Posted by kennethgriffin

23/5/5 in 2000 playoffs
29/7/6 in 2001 playoffs
27/6/5 in 2002 playoffs


how is this any different than a kareem non finals mvp title

We making stats up now? . Kobe averaged 15.6/4.6/4.2 in 2000 finals compared to Shaq's 38/16.6 .

Kobe in 2001 finals 24.6/7.8/4.8 compared to Shaq's 33/15.8/4.8 .

2002 finals Kobe - 26.7/5.7/5.2 and Shaq - 36.5/12.2/3.7 .

So again Shaq was a ****ing monster and there's a reason he won the Finals MVPs, and stop making up bullshit stats (especially 2000 playoffs).