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Old 02-04-2013, 11:07 PM   #61
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Default Re: Truth: LeBron James is already the greatest SF in NBA history

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Just no


Bird is a better

shooter (3pt, mid range, close range, FT)
post player
passer
rebounder
team defender
off-ball player
with the off-hand
clutch player
leader
as far as scoring both have a case, can see either way


So just chill little kid and don't get caught too much in the spur of the moment.
Ft shooting. Yeah, the only thing Bird is better than LeBron at.

"Leader"? WTF is this? LeBron LED worthless teams to 66 wins and a bunch of no names to the Finals, single-handedly beating a stacked Pistons team that went to the Finals 2 straight years.

"With the off-hand". Ok... who cares?

"Clutch player" - nope. 45/15/5 in Game 6 2012 ECF elimination game on the road = greatest playoff game ever. Bird ain't got squat on that.

The rest of what you wrote is just made up fiction. You can tell yourself something over and over again but doesn't make it true son.

Bron owns Bird. Bird ain't even in the same league. Only Jordan is.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:08 PM   #62
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That's what rebound rate is for, which controls for pace. 15% of available rebounds is 15% of available rebounds, whether playing at a fast pace or slow.

LeBron's grabbed 10.7% of available rebounds for his career, with a career high of 13.0% in 2012-13, when he grabbed a career-high 8.3 per game.

Bird grabbed 14.5% of available rebounds for his career, and exceeded 13.0% of available rebounds nine times in his career.

Those are the cold, hard facts minus agenda, fanboyism or stannery. Bird was the better rebounder and there is absolutely zero way to spin that truth into anything other than what it is.

Not to mention, he had to rebound with the likes of Kevin McHale, Robert Parish, Cedric Maxwell for multiple seasons... even Dave Cowens and Bill Walton for a short period of time too. Bird was a greater rebounder than James.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:08 PM   #63
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Bird>>>>>>>Lebron, you fu*king retard
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:12 PM   #64
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Ft shooting. Yeah, the only thing Bird is better than LeBron at.

"Leader"? WTF is this? LeBron LED worthless teams to 66 wins and a bunch of no names to the Finals, single-handedly beating a stacked Pistons team that went to the Finals 2 straight years.

"With the off-hand". Ok... who cares?

"Clutch player" - nope. 45/15/5 in Game 6 2012 ECF elimination game on the road = greatest playoff game ever. Bird ain't got squat on that.

The rest of what you wrote is just made up fiction. You can tell yourself something over and over again but doesn't make it true son.

Bron owns Bird. Bird ain't even in the same league. Only Jordan is.

10 year old kids flooding the internet : keep on with the ridiculous claims, then go back to living your sad ignorant life

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Besides, championships are a team accomplishment. Can you imagine Magic/Bird/Kareem pissing away their early 20s playing with filth like Delonte, Mo, Jamison as their best players?

Just imagine if LeBron was gifted a loaded team from his rookie year like some of these other guys. Fool would have 5-6 titles by at age 28 only.


Or what about Bird playing in this weak era when compared to the 80's, with plenty of terrible teams around

Bird turned a dying franchise with the 2nd worst record in the league (29-53), to a contender with the best record in the league (61-21) and that's with the same team, no Parish or McHale yet. Then with the main addition of Parish, lead them to a championship in his 2nd year.

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Old 02-04-2013, 11:13 PM   #65
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LeBron would put up 35/12/8 in the 80s. Would shoot close to 60%.
The league post handchecking rules is putting up the same efficiency numbers as the 80's.

NBA League Averages

80's (1979-80 to 1988-89)
D/ORtg: 106.9
TS%: .538
eFG%: .491
PPS: 1.230
FTA/FGA: .328

2004-05 to 2011-12
D/ORtg: 106.8
TS%: .538
eFG%: .495
PPS: 1.223
FTA/FGA: .310
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:15 PM   #66
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The Op is a Lakers fan/Kobe fan. His alternate account is also posting in this thread.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:15 PM   #67
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Better than Bird at literally everything besides FT shooting. Way faster, stronger, more athletic, better passer, better scorer, better rebounder, way better defender, and much more efficient.

Only lagging in number of titles. This guy will be the second greatest player ever when all is said and done (if he isn't already).



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This guy will be the second greatest player ever when all is said and done (if he isn't already).

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Old 02-04-2013, 11:19 PM   #68
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The league post handchecking rules is putting up the same efficiency numbers as the 80's.

NBA League Averages

80's (1979-80 to 1988-89)
D/ORtg: 106.9
TS%: .538
eFG%: .491
PPS: 1.230
FTA/FGA: .328

2004-05 to 2011-12
D/ORtg: 106.8
TS%: .538
eFG%: .495
PPS: 1.223
FTA/FGA: .310
Kind of going against your whole "Kobe faced tougher defenses than MJ" shtick there, aren't ya Dunce? Though I suppose you bend the rules to fit the subject matter.
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Lebron wins one championship in a lockout season, while Bird won 3 championships in an era vs Magic/Kareem Lakers. Lebron kids, get to bed early because you need to wake up for school tomorrow...and don't forget to brush your teeth.
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Deuce, you already admitted you're 17, who are you calling kid?
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Default Re: Truth: LeBron James is already the greatest SF in NBA history

LEBRON HAD A HIGHER PER THOOO

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Old 02-04-2013, 11:22 PM   #72
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So let me get this straight; this loser stat pads his way to a 12-13 shooting night during a meaningless reg season game against the bobcats at home and it means he is the best sf ever?

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Larry Bird on LeBron

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"He [LeBron] actually carried them all the way through the playoffs," Bird said during an interview with ESPN. "If you go back to the beginning of the playoffs, has anyone ever had a better run? It'd seem like you'd have a bad game once in awhile. He never did have a bad game. He was so focused. You just saw his confidence build and build and build. He should go down in history as one of the top players and maybe he can get close to Michael [Jordan]."

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While I think OP's just some alternate or pseudo fan...

I don't see why this arbitrary ranking should be questioned. All usually are irrational to some extent. Even when we were having the All-time greatest NBA players for 2012 this summer... there was obvious agenda involved.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:23 PM   #75
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Lebron wins one championship in a lockout season, while Bird won 3 championships in an era vs Magic/Kareem Lakers. Lebron kids, get to bed early because you need to wake up for school tomorrow...and don't forget to brush your teeth.


The '86 Celtics and '87 Lakers would embarrass modern day NBA teams, including the Miami Heat.
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