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Old 02-04-2013, 11:43 PM   #31
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holiday has led his team to more wins than bosh ever did alone. and kyrie wins once every 4 games.

Holiday has Thaddeus Young, Nick Young, Jason Richardson, Evan Turner, Spencer Hawes

Irving has Alonzo Gee, Dion Waiters, Tyler Zeller, Tristian Thompson, Luke Walton average age 22
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:46 PM   #32
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You are a ****tard if you really think that. The only player anyone would take over Irving starting a franchise right now is Kevin Durant and LeBron James, the kid is 20 years old and can take over a game like no one in recent memory.
If you were starting a franchise and could sign any player, who would it be?
T1. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 37.0%
T1. LeBron James, Miami -- 37.0%
3. Derrick Rose, Chicago -- 14.8%
4. Dwight Howard, Orlando -- 7.4%
5. Dwyane Wade, Miami -- 3.7%

http://www.nba.com/news/features/201...vey/index.html

http://www.nba.com/news/2012-13-gm-survey/index.html

If you were starting a franchise today and could sign any player in the NBA, who would it be?
1. LeBron James, Miami -- 80.0%
2. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 16.7%
3. Dwight Howard, L.A. Lakers -- 3.3%

GMswon't take Kyrie over Lebron, Durant, Howard, Rose, CP3. Then you have Melo/Kobe too. Kyrie has not proven anything in the playoffs, I doubt GMs care about a guy due to regular season.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:50 PM   #33
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No...in one post you said "Holiday is easily better than both" and in the other (and currently) you're saying Irving is better than Holiday....that's a direct contradiction. It's not lacking comprehension if everyone in this thread understood your posts in the same way.


Then that means every single person is an idiot. If there was any misunderstanding, I've already explained what I think. I'm not taking Holiday over Irving. I could even rank Irving higher, on the basis that he's done more so far. But I'm not stupid. And it's funny, because I like Holiday but I'm a bigger fan of Irving's and the prevailing idea here is much the opposite.


And the post that I'm responding to...did you actually read it?

"He's absolutely had the best season of the 3." and "I said Irving is having the better season."

That's what he quoted. Show me the contradiction.
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Old 02-04-2013, 11:51 PM   #34
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If you were starting a franchise and could sign any player, who would it be?
T1. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 37.0%
T1. LeBron James, Miami -- 37.0%
3. Derrick Rose, Chicago -- 14.8%
4. Dwight Howard, Orlando -- 7.4%
5. Dwyane Wade, Miami -- 3.7%

http://www.nba.com/news/features/201...vey/index.html

http://www.nba.com/news/2012-13-gm-survey/index.html

If you were starting a franchise today and could sign any player in the NBA, who would it be?
1. LeBron James, Miami -- 80.0%
2. Kevin Durant, Oklahoma City -- 16.7%
3. Dwight Howard, L.A. Lakers -- 3.3%

GMswon't take Kyrie over Lebron, Durant, Howard, Rose, CP3. Then you have Melo/Kobe too. Kyrie has not proven anything in the playoffs, I doubt GMs care about a guy due to regular season.

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Old 02-04-2013, 11:56 PM   #35
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You can safely ignore the argument of any Rose or Westbrook homers.
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BTW, this idea that ever single GM would take Irving is stupid. There was a poll 10 years ago, where the GM's ranked the top 25 players in the NBA. Dirk and McGrady (that year) were not on every single GM's list of 25. But screw both of them.


Allen Iverson hadn't missed the playoffs since his second season. He had led the league in scoring the previous two seasons and the previous 3 of 4. He was having what was his 2nd best season ever at that point (the best, according to Larry Brown), his team was in the playoffs, he'd won an MVP, taken his team to the best record in the East and went to the Finals...and with all that, in the middle of that year, there was at least one GM that believed there were at least TWENTY-FIVE better players than Iverson in the NBA.


I don't care if they hated him. This wasn't an MVP vote. This was a list of TWENTY-FIVE players. If any GM is willing to vote like that, regardless of all his bias, you can rest assured that there is no absolute. That's just the fact. Holiday has been in the playoffs the last two years, led his team to a Game 7, and is having at least a comparable season this very year. So, while I would never do that, it's stupid to be so sure that every single GM would go that route.
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Those are the latest GM surveys, one is 3 months old. But I guess next year they will all forget about those guys and pick a dude on a lottery team, your logic is flawless.
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BTW, this idea that ever single GM would take Irving is stupid. There was a poll 10 years ago, where the GM's ranked the top 25 players in the NBA. Dirk and McGrady (that year) were not on every single GM's list of 25. But screw both of them.


Allen Iverson hadn't missed the playoffs since his second season. He had led the league in scoring the previous two seasons and the previous 3 of 4. He was having what was his 2nd best season ever at that point (the best, according to Larry Brown), his team was in the playoffs, he'd won an MVP, taken his team to the best record in the East and went to the Finals...and with all that, in the middle of that year, there was at least one GM that believed there were at least TWENTY-FIVE better players than Iverson in the NBA.


I don't care if they hated him. This wasn't an MVP vote. This was a list of TWENTY-FIVE players. If any GM is willing to vote like that, regardless of all his bias, you can rest assured that there is no absolute. That's just the fact. Holiday has been in the playoffs the last two years, led his team to a Game 7, and is having at least a comparable season this very year. So, while I would never do that, it's stupid to be so sure that every single GM would go that route.

Except Iverson had a bad attitude and was a problem in the locker room. No shit GM didn't want them on his team the guy didn't take practicing seriously as a professional athlete, no one is denying his talent or what he has done but you have to take character into account when talking about starting a franchise, Irving has shown no signs anything like that, on top of that Irving is much more efficient whether its shot selection or just straight FG%
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You can safely ignore the argument of any Rose or Westbrook homers.
Yes ignore the actual facts behind the latest GM surveys, that's not even ar argument from me.

You and Brenda are the most insecure Kyrie fanboys on this site, everyone is pointing out your stupidity and even real Cavs fans are annoyed by your sudden jumping on their bandwagon.

You are the dumbass that posted this...

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...3&postcount=86

"Irving has already charted a journey of greatness that Derrick Rose will never touch."

I think it's save to say we can all ignore the arguments of delusional Kyrie homers like yourself.
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Coach Spo is going to pick Chris Bosh if this is the case.

He really wouldn't pick his own player ?
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Old 02-05-2013, 12:27 AM   #41
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Default Re: Erik Spoelstra's All star starter: Bosh or Irving?

Spo will pick Bosh, and who can blame him? It's his guy.

Also, nobody outside the city of Philadelphia would take Holliday over Irving. Not to say that Holliday isn't a good player, but they're just on different levels.
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Except Iverson had a bad attitude and was a problem in the locker room. No shit GM didn't want them on his team the guy didn't take practicing seriously as a professional athlete, no one is denying his talent or what he has done but you have to take character into account when talking about starting a franchise, Irving has shown no signs anything like that, on top of that Irving is much more efficient whether its shot selection or just straight FG%


Read the last paragraph. I know that. But look at the extent they went. They said he wasn't top 25. If any GM is willing to say Iverson, in his prime and at his most unselfish, isn't a top 25 player in the league...that same GM can't be stupid enough to say he'd rather have Holiday? 25 man. 25. Think about that. Think of what players that GM has to think are better than Iverson. Not guys he'd rather have, but are better. Anyone willing to vote that way is willing to look at Holiday and Irving and take Holiday because Holiday is a great defender and because they'll think Irving is a scorer more than a PG, and that he's too small to be a SG, and on and on. It doesn't matter if it's right, but it's stupid to think that it's absolutely certain that every single GM would make that decision. The truth is that it's more than likely that there is at least one GM in the league who would take Holiday.
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Coach Spo is going to pick Chris Bosh if this is the case.

He really wouldn't pick his own player ?


Nothing wrong with it. There's no good reason for him to pick Irving over Bosh. It's not like Irving has been clearly better or better at all than Bosh has been. The Heat have the best record and it's his best player. A lot of coaches would do it. It's not ridiculous. The problem is that a few other guys are clearly better but no one is considering them.

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You can safely ignore the argument of wins by Rose or Westbrook.
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We all know wins are overrated in the league.
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holiday has led his team to more wins than bosh ever did alone. and kyrie wins once every 4 games.
If you want to get technical, the Sixers win 1.76 of every 4 games. The Cavs win 1.16 of every 4 games.

That .60 makes all the difference, I guess? I like Jrue Holiday and he has had a great season. Saying Kyrie Irving has no argument over him in the starting lineup is dumb.

Kyrie Irving
35.6 minutes
24.0 points on 47% FG, 41% 3PT, 85% FT
5.4 assists
3.5 rebounds
1.8 steals
3.5 turnovers
Team Record: 14-34

Jrue Holiday
38.4 minutes
19.4 points on 46% FG, 35% 3PT, 78% FT
8.9 assists
4.2 rebounds
1.5 steals
4.1 turnovers
Team Record: 21-26


The Sixers aren't exactly tearing it up, guys.

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Bosh wants to start. No way Spo doesnt start his guy.
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