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Old 02-03-2013, 06:34 PM   #1
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Default broy Trade Scenario: Portland - Cleveland

Portland receives: Tristan Thompson + Dion Waiters + Luke Walton (expirer) + 2 first round picks (Cleveland's own and Miami pick) + 2 second round picks (both Orlando picks)

This move gives flexibility to Portland to sign big free agents as the salary cap decreases significantly. I can see Millsap signing with Portland.

Lillard / Waiters
Matthews / Waiters
Batum / Matthews
Millsap / Thompson
Hickson / Leonard

+ Cleveland's lottery pick + More picks!

Cleveland receives: LaMarcus Aldridge + Joel Freeland + Victor Claver

2 All-Star players! Varejao is great complementary to LMA and one of the best centers in the league, when he is healthy. There are really utilizable players such as Zeller, Speights, Miles and Gee. With that cap space, Kevin Martin is really possible target and he would work well with Irving.

Irving / ???
Martin / Miles
Gee / Martin
LMA / Speights
Varejao / Zeller

The only problem with team is a pass-first PG.

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I think both teams would benefit through this trade.
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Old 02-03-2013, 06:39 PM   #2
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Default Re: broy Trade Scenario: Portland - Cleveland

I could see CLE wanting to keep one of those firsts. But I kinda like it
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Old 02-03-2013, 06:53 PM   #3
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Default Re: broy Trade Scenario: Portland - Cleveland

i dont like it

thats just too much, plus aldridge is already 27 years old.

the cavs give up all their youth, when we wanna build around irving, with other young guys that he can grow with.

they arent aiming to get into the playoffs next year, the goal is to be a really good playoff team 3-5 years from now.

it would be a short term gain, but hurt the cavs long term.
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:18 PM   #4
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Default Re: broy Trade Scenario: Portland - Cleveland

Terrible trade for Portland. They already have Matthews, who would end up going to Cleveland. Cleveland would make him necessary and Portland would oblige.
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:25 PM   #5
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i dont like it

thats just too much, plus aldridge is already 27 years old.

the cavs give up all their youth, when we wanna build around irving, with other young guys that he can grow with.

they arent aiming to get into the playoffs next year, the goal is to be a really good playoff team 3-5 years from now.

it would be a short term gain, but hurt the cavs long term.

lol at thinking they aren't aiming to be a playoff team next year. They don't have 5 years to be a playoff team. If they don't make the playoffs before Kyrie's rookie contract is up he is gonna most likely leave and same with TT. Like you said it's a Terrible trade and Cavs won't give up young guys for two guys that about to hit 30 soon.
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:56 PM   #6
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lol at thinking they aren't aiming to be a playoff team next year. They don't have 5 years to be a playoff team. If they don't make the playoffs before Kyrie's rookie contract is up he is gonna most likely leave and same with TT. Like you said it's a Terrible trade and Cavs won't give up young guys for two guys that about to hit 30 soon.
right, why the hell would they trade Tristan who been balling and Waiters who has potential for that package? lmao foh
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i dont like it

thats just too much, plus aldridge is already 27 years old.

the cavs give up all their youth, when we wanna build around irving, with other young guys that he can grow with.

they arent aiming to get into the playoffs next year, the goal is to be a really good playoff team 3-5 years from now.

it would be a short term gain, but hurt the cavs long term.



3-5 years? I'm not in Cleveland, but I know that's wrong. This idea of building young is stupid. Build with quality. You get a legit great player, on the contract he's on? Add that you'd get Matthews, who's on a very good contract. You get both of those for under $20Million? That team would beast. In 3-5 years, Aldridge should still be in his prime.

If you wanna wait 3-5 years you won't keep your star and that's just the truth.


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lol at thinking they aren't aiming to be a playoff team next year. They don't have 5 years to be a playoff team. If they don't make the playoffs before Kyrie's rookie contract is up he is gonna most likely leave and same with TT. Like you said it's a Terrible trade and Cavs won't give up young guys for two guys that about to hit 30 soon.



Aldridge is 27. About to hit 30 soon doesn't relate to him.

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Old 02-03-2013, 11:49 PM   #8
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Default Re: broy Trade Scenario: Portland - Cleveland

Don't like it one bit. Giving up way too much. I can see many people are unaware of the Cavs timetable for hopefully becoming a contender. It isn't this year or next year. It is a few years down the line.

Thompson and Waiters aren't going anywhere in the near future. Moves may be made, but that is why we've accumulated tons of picks and tons of cap space. That wasn't done to make one move wherein we give away our young talent for a guy who should be on a contender now.

And, no... That team wouldn't be very good. No thanks.
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I don't like it for Portland. We have solid pieces that we can build on. No need to blow it up and re-start the rebuild.
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lol at thinking they aren't aiming to be a playoff team next year. They don't have 5 years to be a playoff team. If they don't make the playoffs before Kyrie's rookie contract is up he is gonna most likely leave and same with TT. Like you said it's a Terrible trade and Cavs won't give up young guys for two guys that about to hit 30 soon.
That is absurd and you have absolutely no clue what is in Kyrie and Tristan's minds. They just may have intentions to -- you know -- help build this franchise up and aren't looking to jump ship the first chance they get.

In today's NBA, it is incredibly rare for a star player to leave after their rookie contract is up. It almost never happens if the team they're on truly wants to keep them.

This kind of panicked thinking is what led to the James years being filled with desperate moves like giving Larry Hughes a max contract, overpaying for Damon Jones and Donyell Marshall and trading away all of our cap space and draft picks for washed up veterans at the trade deadline every year.

And, guess what? He left anyway. Grant has done a great job at putting this franchise in a terrific position in terms of lots of very young talent, tons of picks and tons of cap space. He needs to stick to the script and keep building the right way. One crazy move made to appease the fans who, once again, want to start panicking about a young budding superstar could destroy all that good work.

When Grant and Gilbert finally decide to start throwing around money and when Irving and the rest of these young guys are really ready to start competing, no one will remember the 3 years to start his career when the Cavs were losing games... The same way no one remembers OKC winning just 12 games before the All-Star break in Durant's second year.

At least, that is the hope. Everyone wants to follow that OKC template. It doesn't always work, but the Cavs are off to a terrific start in trying it, already attaining the franchise player and other potentially key pieces. No reason to start losing it because the team isn't in the playoffs two years after everything was ripped down and burned.

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Old 02-04-2013, 12:22 AM   #11
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I don't like it for Portland. We have solid pieces that we can build on. No need to blow it up and re-start the rebuild.
If you look at OP's team, Portland isn't rebuilding at all. They get weaker at PF by replacing LMA with XXX (Millsap?) but their bench is much stronger with Dion and Tristan.

My issue would be why don't just keep LMA and acquire better bench in the off season.
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If you look at OP's team, Portland isn't rebuilding at all. They get weaker at PF by replacing LMA with XXX (Millsap?) but their bench is much stronger with Dion and Tristan.

My issue would be why don't just keep LMA and acquire better bench in the off season.

This is exactly what I was suggesting. And you don't make a trade hoping to land a specific free agent, so I don't consider Millsap as part of this. Trading Aldridge for draft picks, 2 young players, and an expirer is pretty much the definition of a rebuild.
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This is exactly what I was suggesting. And you don't make a trade hoping to land a specific free agent, so I don't consider Millsap as part of this. Trading Aldridge for draft picks, 2 young players, and an expirer is pretty much the definition of a rebuild.
Trade makes no sense for either Cleveland or Portland. The definition of a bad idea (no offense OP).
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You have to add Wes Matthews to the trade, period. Second, someone is going to have to inform me who the hell the 2nd all-star player is lol. I can't find him.

I also think you have to drop the 2nd round picks or maybe the Miami pick. That just seems like too much. It still benefits Cleveland but what is the point in them giving that up, too?


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Don't like it one bit. Giving up way too much. I can see many people are unaware of the Cavs timetable for hopefully becoming a contender. It isn't this year or next year. It is a few years down the line.

Thompson and Waiters aren't going anywhere in the near future. Moves may be made, but that is why we've accumulated tons of picks and tons of cap space. That wasn't done to make one move wherein we give away our young talent for a guy who should be on a contender now.

And, no... That team wouldn't be very good. No thanks.



I don't think you get it either. There is absolutely no timetable for them being good years down the line. That's a waste of time. Aldridge is 27 and his prime can last longer than most. His contract is good. He's good enough that he's still better than Irving is right now and that could last thru next season. He could also get better, as he has a game that can age like win. You give up a bunch of nothing and you get back a solid 26year old SG, who can shoot and defend and whose contract doesn't reach $7.5Milllion a season. That's a steal. You have a crappy draft coming up, Tristan Thompson is never going to be anywhere near as good as Aldridge is. You give up the potential of Waiters and that's it. But does Waiters even have the potential of Aldridge?


If you're not trying to be in the playoffs, in the East, with Kyrie Irving, then your team is stuck in neutral. You don't waste time like that. Varejao is all hustle, energy, and uptempo play. Aldridge gets caught in a slumber sometime. They fit together on both offense and defense. Aldridge is still young. If you guys aren't at least going down to the wire on a playoff push next year, that's negative.

And yes, this team would be good.

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