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Old 02-03-2013, 06:26 PM   #31
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Default Re: Heat has Lebron, Wade and Bosh and only 12th FTA/gm?

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Keep in mind that a lot of his paint points come from transition. It's not like he is backing his man down all the time.

Watch the game.

LeBron is fouled much more often than Durant. Its obvious.
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Old 02-03-2013, 06:28 PM   #32
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Default Re: Heat has Lebron, Wade and Bosh and only 12th FTA/gm?

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Watch the game.

LeBron is fouled much more often than Durant. Its obvious.
I think that is blatantly pretty obvious same goes with Melo and even kobe.
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:49 PM   #33
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Why would anyone include Bosh in this? All he does is take jumpshots and get open pick n' rolls.
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:09 PM   #34
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Harden is actually really quick, and has pretty good leaping ability. Harden knows how to act out the foul better, though. He understands how to slow down before contact, and make the foul more dramatic and visual for the refs. But I agree.

Watch D-Rose, Westbrook, Bron ... they attack, and are so athletic, so strong in their core that they can take contact and finish. Never getting the calls.

Shaq was just a mutant, who was so un-fairly big, that it's un-fair to call fouls trying to guard him because he'd throw his weight around (which was unstoppable) and the only way to guard him was be really physical in return with him.

He got fouled a lot, but it cancels out given he fouled a lot himself. Shaq threw chicken wing elbows ALL the time, and threw his big ass around and just overwhelmed defenders with his size and weight.

Those perimeter guys not getting calls? That has more to do with them just being "too good" to get calls.


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Old 02-03-2013, 09:17 PM   #35
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Default Re: Heat has Lebron, Wade and Bosh and only 12th FTA/gm?

that number will double or even triple once the playoffs start just watch.
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Default Re: Heat has Lebron, Wade and Bosh and only 12th FTA/gm?

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Watch the game.

LeBron is fouled much more often than Durant. Its obvious.

I never said he wasn't.
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:05 PM   #37
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LeBron gets absolutely no calls. Its hilarious watching him drive and watching Durant drive. Assault LeBron, no whistle. Look or breathe on Durant and they go to review for a flagrant.

Lebron due to his size & strengh is much more tougher to officiate than Durant...

For example when an opposing defender will be riding/pushing (or sometimes carefully hold) or pathblock Lebron as he drives it doesnt look to affect him... the opposing defender doesnt look like he is doing something illegal at all because of it, it more like looks like playing "good man-to-man defense, Lebron is just... slow....", doesnt look like a foul... for Durant any physical contact affects him more than Lebron, it looks more visibly like a foul, he gets disrupted more easily by similar contact...

Lebron worked for the frame & strengh he has just to be able to do shrug of such physical contact better, but as you can see it has its negative perks aswell...

A shooting foul rule in basketball is not something that favors a big & super strong guy: "Disrupting the scoring attempt by to much physical contact."

Not much disrupts Lebron... Lets say you push, kick or whatever a wall as hard as you possibly can.... you didnt disrupt it whatsover, nothing happened to it... but it STILL should be a foul, because of what you did.... reffs understand this, but thats also why its very hard to officiate such players....

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Old 02-03-2013, 11:22 PM   #38
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Default Re: Heat has Lebron, Wade and Bosh and only 12th FTA/gm?

Lebron's attempts at the rim are so high because he cherry picks so much. Scores about 8-20 points a game cherry picking. Also, Lebron's game is entirely based on plowing into the lane and crab dribbling all over the place. He doesn't use pump fakes, ball fakes, hesitation moves, etc to draw contact. He just plows the lane and hopes to get bailed out. Whereas someone like KD or Wade use their skill and craftiness to get defenders off to guard to draw contact. There's a huge difference in how they play.
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Lebron's attempts at the rim are so high because he cherry picks so much. Scores about 8-20 points a game cherry picking. Also, Lebron's game is entirely based on plowing into the lane and crab dribbling all over the place. He doesn't use pump fakes, ball fakes, hesitation moves, etc to draw contact. He just plows the lane and hopes to get bailed out. Whereas someone like KD or Wade use their skill and craftiness to get defenders off to guard to draw contact. There's a huge difference in how they play.
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Why would anyone include Bosh in this? All he does is take jumpshots and get open pick n' rolls.
He used to be one of the leading guys in FTA during his Raptors days. Yeah, he doesnt play the same way that he used to, but whenever he goes 1 on 1, the refs let the defenders get very physical with him and they never call a foul.
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Old 02-04-2013, 01:25 AM   #41
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LeBron gets absolutely no calls. Its hilarious watching him drive and watching Durant drive. Assault LeBron, no whistle. Look or breathe on Durant and they go to review for a flagrant.
It's sad cause it's partially true.
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Default Re: Heat has Lebron, Wade and Bosh and only 12th FTA/gm?

The big 3 are not getting calls on the road, the contact the refs are allowing is ridiculous

FTA Home / away

Wade 6.7 / 5.6
Bron 6.9/ 6.2 (and that's with more than 2 extra FGAs on the road)
Bosh 5.5/3.7 (with 1 extra FGA)


The largest discrepancy last year was Wade with .9 difference
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Default Re: Heat has Lebron, Wade and Bosh and only 12th FTA/gm?

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Well, they are more strict on flopping this year in the case of Wade.

Bosh is too soft, never bangs, so it makes sense he doesn't get any calls.

This. Wade is taking more jump shots this season as a result. And Bosh does get calls whenever he takes it inside. He usually throws himself into his defender's arms (must be an habit) and goes to the FT line.

Lebron gets away with too much pushing off and barreling into defenders on the offensive end and hacking on the defensive end that it's absolutely ridiculous we're discussing his supposed lack of calls.
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Old 02-04-2013, 12:04 PM   #44
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Default Re: Heat has Lebron, Wade and Bosh and only 12th FTA/gm?

I think it's fair since Bosh is primarily a jump shooter and I really don't expect more than 4 a game from him.

Wade is only getting his free throws through his pump faking jump shots. When he goes inside, he's using his euro-step to go around defenders. He's avoiding contact more often now in the air and is relying more on jump shots and post hooks.

Lebron is only using his speed to get by defenders after a screen or in transition. It seems the only time a foul is called for him is when he gets wrapped. Also, he's more aggressive at the end of quarters because the other team will be over the limit and get gifted some free throws off of blocking calls. He probably averages 3-4 FTA per game from the last 2 minutes of the first and third quarter. But yes, he doesn't get calls like Durant, but then, he never gets called for his forearm push off either.

Anyone else on the team are simply spotting up waiting for an open jump shot. Only Ray Allen and Chalmers drive on rare occasions. I didn't know they were #12 as I thought they'd be in the top 10 at least, but I'm not surprised either.
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Old 02-04-2013, 05:12 PM   #45
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Default Re: Heat has Lebron, Wade and Bosh and only 12th FTA/gm?

interesting topic. Even some of the commenators have been pointing this out lately that Lebron doesn't get calls because he's absorbing contact better than other players. And in the last couple of Heat games the refs really did a horrible job overall. Like in that Indiana game when West was throwing Battier all over the court and at the end they would call a foul on Battier but sooner or later the calls will go the other way around I guess...
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