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Old 01-31-2013, 04:02 AM   #121
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Default Re: Now that Kobe has decided to be a facilitator, is he better at it than Lebron James?

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LMAO at this.. I think youre describing Lebron here. The guy who constantly thinks of his FG% or the one who would facilitate once his assists numbers are not yet on the average. Jordan or kobe never cared about stats thats why they won a combined 11 rings while oscar/lebron has only 2. LOL Once jordan played off the ball, he started winning. This is a team game and players like lebron are cancerous to a team just like the score first pgs like AI/Rose/Arenas/oscar. Thats why despite the stats, lebron never produced off rtgs as good as jordan/magic while durant in his 6th yr already reached prime jordan.

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Old 01-31-2013, 10:15 AM   #122
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Default Re: Now that Kobe has decided to be a facilitator, is he better at it than Lebron James?

Didn't read anything but the title of this thread, but lol, I'm hoping the op wasn't serious. The last four games hav proven that Kobe can only facilitate when he actively turns down scoring opportunities for himself... Lebron can play regularly and score 25 plus points and dish out 10 assists at the same time because he has the passing vision to do facilitate without changing his game to do so.
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:27 AM   #123
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Oh whoops. Sorry guys. Like I said I didn't read any of this thread, so I didn't see that this thread was already over. Especially after last nights debacle where Kobe went 7-17, had 9 assists but 6 turnovers, and was giving up dunks to pass to gasol for a dunk to increase his assists. And they lost to the worst team on the western conference. Lol.
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:35 AM   #124
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Default Re: Now that Kobe has decided to be a facilitator, is he better at it than Lebron James?

Nope, not at all. Kobe passes the ball like he is forced to, Lebron passes the ball like its natural. You cant force yourself to do things you cant or dont want to do, it may last for a short while but definitely not a long-term solution.
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:38 AM   #125
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Default Re: Now that Kobe has decided to be a facilitator, is he better at it than Lebron James?

Some of the most idiotic things are posted on here.
Just because Lebron cares about certain stats, like shooting a certain percentage from the floor, it means he won't win? Its an incentive, not a must.

And you're downright stupid if you think all players don't care about their stats.
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Old 01-31-2013, 11:27 AM   #126
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Default Re: Now that Kobe has decided to be a facilitator, is he better at it than Lebron James?

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Nope, not at all. Kobe passes the ball like he is forced to, Lebron passes the ball like its natural.


The big difference between Lebron and Kobe is that Lebron looks for an assist, Kobe looks to make the right pass.

James is a willing passer but he is a willing passer to get the stats. Just look at how many times Bron will dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, until a shooter is open, that is called looking for the assist, not making the right pass.

Kobe doesn't ball pound the whole shot clock, he has always played within the offense as the Lakers facilitator, and he got more assists finding cutters than finding shooters.

Lebron almost always passes the ball if he knows it will lead to an assist. I rarely ever see him make the "hockey assist".

As great as Bron's passing ability is said to be and how unselfish he is said to be based on his assist numbers, he tends to only pass if he will get that assist. He pretty much refuses to pass just for the sake of ball movement and moving the defense, which is not a good thing at all when teams are packing in the lane.

I have always considered Lebron's "assists" ala Stephon Marbury-esque or Steve Francis-esque. I mean at their peaks they were what 9 assists type of guys? But you would never say that those 9 assists are similar to a Kidd or a Nash having 9 assists.

Facilitators look to create plays out of nothing. James, not so much. He's either going to pummel into the lane or throw it out for a cop-out assist.

Face it, Lebron is a player that really does care about his stats. He works for those assist totals and he rarely makes a pass that wouldn't directly lead to a bucket. You see it all the time. He'll sit on the post, or dribble at the top of the key just waiting for someone to get open and he'll hit them with a pass. He has no anticipation for the hockey assist or for how one of his first passes could lead to another pass that could lead to a bucket.
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Old 01-31-2013, 11:40 AM   #127
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The big difference between Lebron and Kobe is that Lebron looks for an assist, Kobe looks to make the right pass.

That's literally the opposite of what I saw last night

Kobe held the ball till there was an assist opportunity he liked, to the detriment of the pace and the offense.
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That's literally the opposite of what I saw last night

Kobe held the ball till there was an assist opportunity he liked, to the detriment of the pace and the offense.
Indeed. Kobe was the one who looks for assists stats, lebron on the other hands looks to create for his teammates wide open shots
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Old 01-31-2013, 12:04 PM   #129
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That's literally the opposite of what I saw last night

Kobe held the ball till there was an assist opportunity he liked, to the detriment of the pace and the offense.

Seriously. It's like these Kobe fans have been watching different games the past week. Kobe just monopilizes the ball to the detriment of everything else in a vain (as in "vanity," not "futile") attempt to rack up assists.
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Old 01-31-2013, 12:04 PM   #130
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Default Re: Now that Kobe has decided to be a facilitator, is he better at it than Lebron James?

Oscar Robinson averages a triple double his first five years in the league and 30ppg along with it, his first 5 years or his first 400 games!!! in the league and doesn't make anybodies top 10 GOAT list. BUT Kobe gets 3 games at 13 assist per, after averaging 5 assist per for 17 years or 1200 games, and he's better than Lebron - today's Big O.

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Old 01-31-2013, 02:49 PM   #131
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The big difference between Lebron and Kobe is that Lebron looks for an assist, Kobe looks to make the right pass.

James is a willing passer but he is a willing passer to get the stats. Just look at how many times Bron will dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, dribble, until a shooter is open, that is called looking for the assist, not making the right pass.

Kobe doesn't ball pound the whole shot clock, he has always played within the offense as the Lakers facilitator, and he got more assists finding cutters than finding shooters.

Lebron almost always passes the ball if he knows it will lead to an assist. I rarely ever see him make the "hockey assist".

As great as Bron's passing ability is said to be and how unselfish he is said to be based on his assist numbers, he tends to only pass if he will get that assist. He pretty much refuses to pass just for the sake of ball movement and moving the defense, which is not a good thing at all when teams are packing in the lane.

I have always considered Lebron's "assists" ala Stephon Marbury-esque or Steve Francis-esque. I mean at their peaks they were what 9 assists type of guys? But you would never say that those 9 assists are similar to a Kidd or a Nash having 9 assists.

Facilitators look to create plays out of nothing. James, not so much. He's either going to pummel into the lane or throw it out for a cop-out assist.

Face it, Lebron is a player that really does care about his stats. He works for those assist totals and he rarely makes a pass that wouldn't directly lead to a bucket. You see it all the time. He'll sit on the post, or dribble at the top of the key just waiting for someone to get open and he'll hit them with a pass. He has no anticipation for the hockey assist or for how one of his first passes could lead to another pass that could lead to a bucket.

You have never played basketball before, and you can go eat shit you ***** faggart
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As a Bulls fan. I should never ever be propping up LBJ like this, but the Kobe slurping has gotten to all time levels.

I give it up to you Heat fans. You guys have been surprisingly cordial lately.

I haven't seen a LBJ thread in weeks.
I've noticed that too. They haven't been half as annoying as they usually are.
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Old 01-31-2013, 03:08 PM   #133
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What's funny is the fact that some of you don't realize that the opinions you're getting aren't all from "Kobe Stans". You keep rationalizing things by lumping everyone that sees it from another angle by lumping everyone else in that category.


Kobe haters are the yin the Kobe Stan's yang. Both are stupid as shit to talk to.
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Oscar Robinson averages a triple double his first five years in the league and 30ppg along with it, his first 5 years or his first 400 games!!! in the league and doesn't make anybodies top 10 GOAT list. BUT Kobe gets 3 games at 13 assist per, after averaging 5 assist per for 17 years or 1200 games, and he's better than Lebron - today's Big O.

CavsFan having a bad posting day. Sometimes your shot is off.

- everybody here is getting butthurt over a question I asked - I neither gave nor drew any conclusions but "my shot is off" and I'm "having a bad posting day", okay
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Default Re: Now that Kobe has decided to be a facilitator, is he better at it than Lebron James?

Whenever Lebron gets the ball, he will control it for 60-70% of the shot clock, this is not sometimes, this is nearly every possession. Dude is so damn concerned about his stats, he will not pass the ball to a player who will not immediately shoot it because he will miss out on his assist. Look back at the Cavs times, their whole offense was based on Lebron iso's at the top of the key, due to the fact that everybody on the team could hit jumpers, Bron would easily get assists by attacking the main defender and dishing it to wherever the help came from. Watching the Heat, whenever Bron iso's, he NEVER looks for Wade. If Wade is spotting up, I had to look back at the Cavs to prove this to myself, if you are not a shooter and you are on the perimeter, even if its the smart and most effective pass to make, Lebron will not look for you. James plays the game to get his numbers, point blank period.

Every time I have seen spo trying to run a play involving the whole team, as soon as Lebron touches the ball, all of the ball movement completely stops. Crazy because when the isolation is for Wade, Dwayne attacks the defense quickly, and he makes the right pass about 90% of the time, Wade is not looking to stat pad, so when he is the primary focus the offense moves much quicker. Watch it for yourself, why the hell is it that every time Lebron touches the ball, he has to clear out the whole team? I am telling you, watch Miami swing Lebron the ball and watch how everything stops until Bron makes a pass to get his assist, it's ridiculous. If Lebron is trapped, he is still looking for the shooter instead of looking for a open player to receive the ball, notice the turnovers in these situations.

I was just thinking about these faults in his game and at first I was thinking that he was just selfish and a stat-padder, but no, his offensive game is very limited. So many people prop him up cause of his versatility, but I'm starting to disbelieve that more and more. Lebron can do a lot of things, but his dominance comes from his limitations. Here is a fact, Bron cannot attack the help defender/shader/cheating defender, so after beating the on ball defender, he will pass it 97% of the time, If he can't go straight up and finish after beating the on ball defender, he will pass it, and if you are not a shooter you will not touch the ball, even if it's the best pass to make. Lebron cannot pass the ball on fast breaks, he moves too fast to even attempt a pass and he doesn't with his head up on fast breaks, his intention on fast breaks is to score, and to score only. If a coach told Lebron that he cant dominate the ball, he wold be a career 18-5-5 type of player, no doubt in my mind about it.
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