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Old 01-30-2013, 05:17 PM   #76
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Default Re: Now that Kobe has decided to be a facilitator, is he better at it than Lebron James?

Let's put it this way. If Kobe put it on himself to be a facilitator throughout his career, he would be better at it than Bronze.
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:17 PM   #77
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14 pts / 11 assists stuff is LBJs really off night.

Even 21 pts / 14 assists. is LBJs off night.

Come talke to me when Kobe hits 25 pts / 15 assists / 13 rebounds.

LBJ is SUPERIOR to any Kobe version. Peak Prime or today's current washed up trash.
The question of the topic is, when Kobe is in facilitate mode is he a better facilitator than Lebron (note... a specific task). The question isn't whether he is a better / more well rounded / complete player while doing it. It's simply whether or not he is a better facilitator when he puts his mind to it. 13 assists per game even in a 3 game stretch has only once been matched by Lebron during Lebron's best passing season - you guys act like he puts up assist numbers for 3 game stretches like that all the time - he doesn't.
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:18 PM   #78
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If LeBron wanted to he could lead the league in scoring, but that's not his job here.

Afterall, he's actually proven that ... he has just 1 less scoring title than Kobe, and has 2x 30 ppg to Kobe's 3x 30 ppg seasons.

He also won his scoring title in a more balanced officiated year (2008) compared to the league adjustment years of 2006 and 2007.

Where as Kobe's never even finished top five in assists per game. But sure, we'll take your word for it.

Haha calm down sport I was just using the same play of words Lebron used for Kobe. Jesus people can't even joke around without someone getting up in arms and posting a wall of text.
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:18 PM   #79
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Yeah, getting assists with Andy Varejao and Boobie Gibson as teammates is a bit more challenging than doing it with Dwight Howard, Steve Nash, Pau Gasol, etc

I can't believe people actually take this shit seriously.
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Did u just begin watching basketball 3 games ago or wut? Nash has been the pg, Kobe has been playing off the ball all season. NOW that he plays that roll hes getting 13 assist per game
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:19 PM   #80
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The difference is Kobe is specifically focusing on Assists, LeBron doesn't. LeBron has an all around game, scoring, rebounding, and assists. If LeBron were to give up scoring and rebounds, he could easily get the same or more assists then Kobe.

It's really easy to pass the ball. Don't act like Kobe is some god for being able to.
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:20 PM   #81
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Haha calm down sport I was just using the same play of words Lebron used for Kobe. Jesus people can't even joke around without someone getting up in arms and posting a wall of text.
I was honestly just kidding back. I don't get Kobe being self and fan proclaimed "born and bred scorer" with only 2x scoring titles.

Meanwhile LeBron, who preaches his game doesn't allow for self indulgent scoring binges, has 2x seasons of 30+ ppg and one less scoring title than the scoring obsessed Kobe.

Doesn't that lend itself to Bron being an inherently better scorer and player? He doesn't focus on scoring, yet delivers the same output as Kobe, while doing more on the floor elsewhere?
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:20 PM   #82
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:21 PM   #83
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The difference is Kobe is specifically focusing on Assists, LeBron doesn't. LeBron has an all around game, scoring, rebounding, and assists. If LeBron were to give up scoring and rebounds, he could easily get the same or more assists then Kobe.

It's really easy to pass the ball. Don't act like Kobe is some god for being able to.


Wow you're an idiot, and LeBron's rebounding numbers are padded with defensive boards. Has no bearing on assists. If anything it should help him since he snatches defensive gimme boards from teamates and gets the ball in his hands right away.

Also, LeBron doesn't care about stats? Since WHEN. The same guy who tried to outdo Kobe's 61 in the garden and got a rebound taken away trying to pad.
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:21 PM   #84
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The question of the topic is, when Kobe is in facilitate mode is he a better facilitator than Lebron (note... a specific task). The question isn't whether he is a better / more well rounded / complete player while doing it. It's simply whether or not he is a better facilitator when he puts his mind to it. 13 assists per game even in a 3 game stretch has only once been matched by Lebron during Lebron's best passing season - you guys act like he puts up assist numbers for 3 game stretches like that all the time - he doesn't.
If Kobe is such a great facilitator and he's so smart why doesn't he do it more if he sees it helps his team? Lebron has nearly double the amount of 10+ assists games.
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:30 PM   #85
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I was honestly just kidding back. I don't get Kobe being self and fan proclaimed "born and bred scorer" with only 2x scoring titles.

Meanwhile LeBron, who preaches his game doesn't allow for self indulgent scoring binges, has 2x seasons of 30+ ppg and one less scoring title than the scoring obsessed Kobe.

Doesn't that lend itself to Bron being an inherently better scorer and player? He doesn't focus on scoring, yet delivers the same output as Kobe, while doing more on the floor elsewhere?

Well if Kobe hadn't played with Shaq in his prime years he would have had more scoring titles. Just like Lebron isn't winning any scoring titles playing with Bosh and Wade. And no way is Lebron an inherently better scorer than Kobe just because of scoring titles. Considering that he's never had to share the ball with a major offensive threat (and don't give me the tired he had to do everything for the Cavs excuse). When it comes down to it ask any knowledgeable NBA person (I'm not talking about posters on a message board) and they'll tell you Kobe is top 5 greatest scorers of all time and Lebron is top 5 most versatile players of all time. Both great at what they do best.
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Old 01-30-2013, 07:54 PM   #86
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:08 PM   #87
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Pretty sure if LBJ was playing with prime Shaq, they'd both have 7-8 rings by now. Not to mention LBJ's scoring would've taken a hit, but his assists would be at astronomical levels, even with the triangle.

I'm sure Phil would've modified the triangle to bring out the best in both Shaq and LBJ.
The problem with LBJ is that even though he is a willing passer he needs the ball to do things and the triangle is not made for players like him. BUT if he started with the Lakers he wouldn't be the player he is today because Phil would've use him differently. Honestly he probably wouldve won more as a SECOND option to Shaq.
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:10 PM   #88
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Of course, Godbe already got 2 games with 14 assists, 3 games in a row with 10 assists. Lebron's season high is 12 and he hasn't even gotten back to back games with 10 assists.

All that when Miami has even better shooters, the problem for LeCifer James is he forces assists, kicking it out to covered shooters or his bigs in traffic. Hence why he is averaging measly 7APR. Godbe since implementing the Kobesystem is averaging 13APG and actually SETTING UP his teammates perfectly, instead of statpadin for assists for his precious triple doubles like LeCifer.

Godbe has mastered both the mental and physical aspects of basketball, his mindset can not be comprehended by the ignorant masses following the false prophet LeCifer. Kobe showcases his greatness through the success of his teammates, he leads by trusting, he wins with confidense and empowers his teammates with the divine energies of the Kobesystem. Those who accept his gifts are bound to receive max contracts, numerous awards and championships.
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:17 PM   #89
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*Carlos Boozer played one year with LeBron. It was his sophomore season and LeBron's rookie season. Boozer's stats went up across the board from his rookie season (10/8/1) to his lone season with LBJ (16/11/2). He went on to enjoy success with Deron Williams (an elite PG) in Utah, but has had much less success in Chicago.

*Drew Gooden. His very first year with LBJ he averaged CAREER HIGHS in points, rebounds, steals and blocks. He has never surpassed those numbers to this day. Furthermore, Drew Gooden shot 48.3% from the field as LeBron's teammate. Without LeBron, he has shot just 45.4% from the field.

*Larry Hughes' numbers are taken completely out of context. Hughes had a much larger role in his tenure with Washington than he did in Cleveland, as LeBron, not Hughes, was the man obviously. Outside of his career year in 2004-05, Hughes had no seasons that differed much from his production while with LeBron James. In fact, his numbers decreased in many areas after leaving Cleveland.

*In Delonte West's case, West played almost two and a half seasons with LeBron James one as a bench player. In 2009, West posted the 3rd highest scoring season of his career to date with LeBron, and notched a career high in 3PT percentage. In 2008, West spent the season with the Sonics and was traded to the Cavs later in the year, where he played 26 games. With LBJ, West's FG% went from a measly 38.8% on the Sonics to a decent 44.0%. His scoring also increased from 6.8 PPG to 10.3 PPG.

*In the case of Varejao, his numbers, apart from rebounding in 2012, have not changed much without LeBron, although his field goal percentage dipped a bit from his last two years with LBJ. On a per minute basis, his stats are virtually the same, however, and it should be noted that he has played on a very poor team the past few years and has thus had a larger role. He has also been plagued by injuries the past few years, so his numbers are not those of a full season, and combined they amount to just 56 total games. It should also be noted that Varejao did not play 20+ minutes until his 3rd year in Cleveland, and his statistics are affected by this.

*Jamison's numbers are also taken out of context. In 2009-10, Jamison went from being the number one or two option (depending on Gilbert Arenas's health) on the Wizards to the 3rd option on the Cavaliers. His numbers for the Wizards were 21 and 9 in 39 minutes a game. For the Cavs, he put up 16 and 8, but in just 32 minutes a game. Jamison's numbers could have been higher on the Cavs if he hadn't inexplicably gone from a 70% FT shooter to a 50% shooter while with LBJ that year. Jamison's FG% actually went from 45% with the Wizards to 49% with LeBron. The past two seasons without LeBron, Jamison's FG% has plummetted to 43% and 40%, respectively. Like Varejao, he plays on a poor team and has a much larger role and more opportunities to throw up shots. LeBron did not negatively impact Jamison's numbers, unless you want to blame him for Jamison losing his FT shooting ability.

*As for Shaq, O'Neal played just 23 minuets a game for the Cavaliers, but if one looks at his numbers on a per minute basis, he averaged the EXACT same amount of shot attempts per 36 minutes as he did the previous season in Cleveland. Furthermore, per 36 minutes, Shaq's numbers with LeBron were 19/10/2, numbers quite comparable to his per 36 minute averages of 2007-08 and 2008-09.

*As for Dwyane Wade, it is insane to think that both LEBRON AND WADE'S numbers would not be affected by playing with each other, as they are similar players whose styles overlap in many ways. Wade was hurt much of this past season and saw his minutes decrease, but he still averaged 24 PPG per 36 this past season. The two highest FG% seasons of Wade's career are both when he played with LeBron James.

*As for Chris Bosh? LeBron does not negatively impact him, the reason Bosh's numbers are down is because he is the 3rd option on Miami, while he was the first in Toronto. NEVERTHELESS, in the games Wade was absent this year, Bosh (as LeBron's second option) averaged nearly 25 PPG! LeBron is quite capable of playing well with Bosh. As for Chalmers, he had the best season of his career to date with LeBron, has been even better in the playoffs, and while Wade was out and LeBron was still there, Chalmers averaged nearly 14 PPG! LeBron alone, in a small sample size, actually IMPROVED the numbers of Bosh and Chalmers.

*Zydrunas Ilgauskas. Big Z, who was an All-Star with and without LeBron, was a good player regardless, I admit. However, of Big Z's 5 best scoring seasons, 3 came with LeBron James. 6 of Big Z's 8 best rebounding totals per minute came with LeBron as his teammate.


Lastly, as to Mike Miller-his role is greatly reduced on the Heat (as anyone who has watched them would know and would understand), and he has been injury prone, as he has most of his career. He is still a solid player, however, although his numbers may not regard it. As for Battier, if anyone has watched the Heat a lot this year (and I have watched literally at least 90-95% of Heat games this season) they would be insane to Blame LeBron for the COUNTLESS open threes Battier has missed after LeBron created a good shot for him.

*Mario Chalmers had the best season of his career with LBJ, as did Mo Williams. An old Ray Allen has done fairly well too.

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