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Old 01-31-2013, 09:04 PM   #121
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Don't need to spin shit sir!!!

Armstrong assist to Hansen for 3 points

Hansen pass to King flag foul by Drexler..free throws

Pippen scores on post up

King fouled free throws

Hansen to Pip, post up turn around

Missed shot rebound Armstrong, dribbles out hits turn around

Pip to King, backs up Williams, who flops, hits turn around

All this with Blazers imploding on offense..Bulls within 3

Jordan now enters game after Blazers timeout

Pippen catches them napping drives in for a lay-up

Jordan drives floater over Cliff

Pippen hits 3 with shot clock running down, nice shot... ties game at 85

Jordan hits tough jumper falling to right(87-87)

Jordan steal dunk(89-87)

Pippen jumper from free throw line (91-89)

Jordan fadeaway (93-91)

Jordan dribble up the court, blows by Drexler lay-up (95-91) (35 seconds)

Pippen dumb foul, gives free throws (95-93)

Jordan fouled intentionally free throws(97-93) 11.8 seconds left

ball game

Pippen played a damn good game but u talk about it like he went on a one man tear...in the time Jordan/Grant are on the bench, King scores 6 points, Pippen 4 points......Jordan enters and scores 12 points, Pippen 7.....Jordan outscores Pippen 12-11 in fourth quarter
Lol I dont believe youre trivializing what Pippen did in that fourth quarter. Factor in Pippens defense on Drexler. He tied the game twice, and the go ahead basket. Youve hit a new low. So now, Pippen has to score a certain amount of pts within a few minutes?

Bottom line. Pippen scored 11 pts in that fourth quarter, shut down Drexler, and ran their offense to perfection.
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:08 PM   #122
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it's comments like this that make him very overrated.
Totally overlooked his comment. He said "ONE CAN ARGUE IT". A case can be made that Pippen was the most important when you factor in his contribution to the team. Now that doesnt make him better than Jordan, but his responsibility and workload was no less.
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Totally overlooked his comment. He said "ONE CAN ARGUE IT". A case can be made that Pippen was the most important when you factor in his contribution to the team. Now that doesnt make him better than Jordan, but his responsibility and workload was no less.

That's just a politically correct way of saying "I think Pippen was basically as good as Jordan".
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Totally overlooked his comment. He said "ONE CAN ARGUE IT". A case can be made that Pippen was the most important when you factor in his contribution to the team. Now that doesnt make him better than Jordan, but his responsibility and workload was no less.

No I didn't overlook anything. Even saying its an argument is one of the dumbest claims posters make around here. It's one thing if there was another player similar to Jordan on the team I.e. you can say Bosh is more important then Wade even though he's not better, but that's not the case.. If you had to go back in time and had to give up one or the other, theres no coach, GM, owner, player or analyst that doesn't have some personal favoritism toward Pippen that would even think about taking Pippen over Jordan.
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That's just a politically correct way of saying "I think Pippen was basically as good as Jordan".

Exactly.
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Wade led his team out the first round his ROOKIE year, idiot.

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Phil would NEVER call for the ball to be in Toni Kukoc's hands if Wade was his go to guy, I know that much...

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Old 01-31-2013, 09:35 PM   #127
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No I didn't overlook anything. Even saying its an argument is one of the dumbest claims posters make around here. It's one thing if there was another player similar to Jordan on the team I.e. you can say Bosh is more important then Wade even though he's not better, but that's not the case.. If you had to go back in time and had to give up one or the other, theres no coach, GM, owner, player or analyst that doesn't have some personal favoritism toward Pippen that would even think about taking Pippen over Jordan.
Absolutely. But you arent winning with either having to carry a huge workload. Id like to ask you. What were their roles on the team? In yoir opinion
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:38 PM   #128
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Wade led his team out the first round his ROOKIE year, idiot.

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Phil would NEVER call for the ball to be in Toni Kukoc's hands if Wade was his go to guy, I know that much...
I dont know about that. considering the situation. There wasnt gonna be enough time tk catch the ball and iso. Id have more faith in Kukocs jumpshot over either Pippens or Wades.
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:48 PM   #129
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That's just a politically correct way of saying "I think Pippen was basically as good as Jordan".
If thats the case then I vehemently disagree
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Absolutely. But you arent winning with either having to carry a huge workload. Id like to ask you. What were their roles on the team? In yoir opinion

Who said they didn't need Pippen to carry a significant workload to win? That doesn't mean there was an argument between who was more important. The fact that we are even having discussions about this makes him overrated.

They both did pretty much everything with Pippen taking a bit more of a role in facilitating and arguably defense (specifically in the 2nd three-peat) and Jordan taking a much larger role scoring especially at the end of games. And Pippen taking a larger role in certain aspects doesn't necessarily mean he was actually better at those aspects, but more because Jordan taking more of a role in everything would not have been an efficient strategy when there were other alternatives so he could focus more on aspects there weren't alternatives for such as scoring cause he was by far their best option.

They both took different leadership approaches, Jordan being aggressive and Pippen being passive. And when the team was in a slump, needed a big game in a playoff series, or just needed to send a message or intimidate an opponent with his play, they looked to Jordan.

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Nah very similar, Scottie better defender, Cylde better scorer



To be honest, it's not even really that close. Drexler is the better scorer. Pippen wouldn't have put up those scoring numbers, tho he'd have averaged more than he did. But he would have had more assists and his assists don't do justice to his playmaking and his passing. The guy was a PG.
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1993 NBA Finals, Game 6 @ Phoenix.

The ultimate Pippen "choke" in Clutch game.

Coach Westphal pointing to Pippen giving the "chokeing sign of Miller" in Clutch 4th quarter crunch time. classic.

1993 MVP Barkley pointing to Pippen with "chokeing sign of Miller" in clutch 4th quarter crunch time....another Classic .

Pippen responsible for 24 secs Shot Clock violation....TWICE.



GOAT enters the game after the rest.....

Bulls score the lowest 4th Quarter total in NBA Finals History....12 Pts.

Jordan scores the "ULTRA CLUTCH" 9 pts out of 12 pts....

Paxon hits the Game winning 3 pointer....

Rest is History

Pippen choked away 2 crucial 4th quarter TURNOVER giving SUNS a 4 pts lead with 4 mins left the game!!

Pippen scored ZERO out of possible 12 pts of 4th Quarter

Pippen still won the Game 6 of NBA Finals ON THE ROAD...

...as usual, GOAT saved Pippen's sorry little si$$y choking ar$e & made him a champ again.

case closed.
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Lol I dont believe youre trivializing what Pippen did in that fourth quarter. Factor in Pippens defense on Drexler. He tied the game twice, and the go ahead basket. Youve hit a new low. So now, Pippen has to score a certain amount of pts within a few minutes?

Bottom line. Pippen scored 11 pts in that fourth quarter, shut down Drexler, and ran their offense to perfection.



Dude you need to watch the damn game, Drexler was off the entire game, they just imploded as a team in the 4th and when Jordan re entered, guess who guarded Drexler?...and reference trivializing what Pippen did....according to you he dominated, when the fact he didn't, he was damn good, but so was Jordan who came through down the stretch.
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That's just a politically correct way of saying "I think Pippen was basically as good as Jordan".



he's already put him on Magic and Birds level
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One CANNOT argue that Pippen was the most important player during their 6 title runs over Jordan.

It's not arguable, whatsoever. Come on... He was the second most important player, no doubt, but you stretch him to the overrated line by saying he was the most important player.
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