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Old 03-11-2013, 04:52 PM   #1
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Default Jeff Van Gundy said something very profound on Saturday.

If your organization develops a player, you shouldn't have to pay extra money to keep him. I think there should be a rule stating that teams do not have to pay the luxury tax on players their organization has drafted and developed.

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Old 03-11-2013, 04:57 PM   #2
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Default Re: Jeff Van Gundy said something very profound on Saturday.

Its called the Larry Bird exception. google it
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Old 03-11-2013, 04:58 PM   #3
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Default Re: Jeff Van Gundy said something very profound on Saturday.

And then your franchise drafts Harden, KD and Westbrook and you laugh for the next 10 years.

safe to say I dont agree
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Old 03-11-2013, 04:59 PM   #4
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Default Re: Jeff Van Gundy said something very profound on Saturday.

Ye he was kind of laying it into the new CBA concerning the whole Asik situation. It's an interesting idea, which would allow teams to keep their core together, granted, they had a core of drafted players they wanted to be their future. IE: Thunder with Durant, Westbrook, and Harden.
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Default Re: Jeff Van Gundy said something very profound on Saturday.

I like it but only for one contract. Otherwise teams tanking would only get worse. We reward tanking teams enough as is.
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Default Re: Jeff Van Gundy said something very profound on Saturday.

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Its called the Larry Bird exception. google it

I'm not talking about an exception. The Larry Bird exception you can use on any returning player, regardless of who drafted him.

If you draft a player and develop him then you never at any point should have to pay luxury tax on his salary.
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Default Re: Jeff Van Gundy said something very profound on Saturday.

The reason why it probably will never happen is because where do you draw the line of who sets you over the luxury tax or not. For example, say a team drafted a player who was set to become a RFA and are currently over the cap by 5 million. Could they just offer that player a near max seeing as they wont have to pay a luxury tax for them? Or what if they were 3 million under the cap, could they pay the player whatever they wanted and not have to pay any luxury tax regardless?
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Default Re: Jeff Van Gundy said something very profound on Saturday.

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The reason why it probably will never happen is because where do you draw the line of who sets you over the luxury tax or not. For example, say a team drafted a player who was set to become a RFA and are currently over the cap. Could they just offer that player a near max seeing as they wont have to pay a luxury tax for them?

I think that's unreasonable.

Something more realistic would be calculating the luxury tax as a whole and then omitting the marginal added tax that each player drafted by the organization contributed to the whole luxury tax. So your luxury tax becomes a proportion of the original - only accounting for players added through non-draft procedures.
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I'm not talking about an exception. The Larry Bird exception you can use on any returning player, regardless of who drafted him.

If you draft a player and develop him then you never at any point should have to pay luxury tax on his salary.

This would encourage tanking. No thanks.
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Otherwise teams tanking would only get worse. We reward tanking teams enough as is.

Bingo.
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Default Re: Jeff Van Gundy said something very profound on Saturday.

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This would encourage tanking. No thanks.

The tanking issue is a valid one but there has to be a way to reward teams for developing their players.

Perhaps simply through stratifying the harshness of the luxury tax along the lines of those acquired through free agency and those developed?
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Default Re: Jeff Van Gundy said something very profound on Saturday.

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The tanking issue is a valid one but there has to be a way to reward teams for developing their players.

Perhaps simply through stratifying the harshness of the luxury tax along the lines of those acquired through free agency and those developed?

Their reward will be reflected in their team's success. Pretty simple solution, I think.
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Default Re: Jeff Van Gundy said something very profound on Saturday.

what Van Gundy failed to mention about that particluar situation (the Bulls) was that Chicago was also trying to work out a ~$40 million dollar extension with Taj Gibson too. That was a HUGE factor. How you going to pay 5 frontcourt players double digit salary's (well Asik is around 8 on average)?

I do believe the poison pill contract's are a piece of crap. that is really a hindrance on teams trying to keep their talent. And Houston did it 2x in the same freaking offseason. Good for them now, wait in that 3rd year when they have to pay, and eventually trade someone due to it.
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what Van Gundy failed to mention about that particluar situation (the Bulls) was that Chicago was also trying to work out a ~$40 million dollar extension with Taj Gibson too. That was a HUGE factor. How you going to pay 5 frontcourt players double digit salary's (well Asik is around 8 on average)?

I do believe the poison pill contract's are a piece of crap. that is really a hindrance on teams trying to keep their talent. And Houston did it 2x in the same freaking offseason. Good for them now, wait in that 3rd year when they have to pay, and eventually trade someone due to it.

I think a solution that fits both the OP question and the poison pill epidemic would be teams are allowed to match any QO made from another team without going into the luxury tax, or at the very worst, only hitting 50% of what that luxury tax would be. WOuld give teams more incentive to develop their young players and prevent any "poison pill" contracts to an extent
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Default Re: Jeff Van Gundy said something very profound on Saturday.

in this case, its no secret that the Bulls are a cheap team that doesn't keep their talent. Im sure Bulls fans are glad Van Gundy exposed them on national TV
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