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Old 01-26-2013, 10:13 AM   #106
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Not yet. But he's gonna be a top 7-10 players of all time if he wins another Finals MVP, and MVP.
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:26 AM   #107
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Honestly Titles are a team accomplishment....Not an individual accomplishment....To ever bring titles into the argument when discussing individual accomplishments and skills is just plain wrong and dishonest.
Because some players are better than their teammates, they contributed more to the "team success." They will get more credit as the team's best player and leader. They'll also get more blame for their team's failures.

If individual accomplishments are wrong and dishonest, then why even give out MVP awards, Finals MVP, DPOY, ROTY, and so forth.

Baseball, football, hockey all are team sports also, yet you hear the same argument about MVPs, all-time ranking. Maybe not as much as the NBA, but fans of those sports do debate about all-time list too.
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Old 01-26-2013, 10:29 AM   #108
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Better than Michael Jordan lol?

The guy isn't even close to Jordan, he lacks the mentality that the icons like Jordan & Bird had.

That is a huge difference between him and the top 7 or so players all time.
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Old 01-26-2013, 11:16 AM   #109
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Scoring: MJ
Penetration: MJ
Post: MJ
Jumpshot: MJ
Open-court: Push
Finishing: MJ (combo of power, finesse, and creativity)
Offensive repertoire: MJ
Passing: Bron
Rebounding: Bron
Offensive rebounding: MJ
Defensive rebounding: Bron
Defense: MJ
On-ball defense (perimeter): MJ
On-ball defense (post): MJ
Off-ball defense: MJ
Team defense: Bron
Defensive versatility: Bron
Steals: MJ
Blocks: MJ
Shooting: MJ
Mid-range: MJ
Three-point: Push (MJ's 3 ball is now CRIMINALLY underrated)
Free-throws: MJ
Facilitating Offense: Bron
Handles: Push
Dribble Moves: MJ
Efficiency: Push
Clutch: MJ
Mental game: MJ
B-ball I.Q.: Push
Quicker Recognition: MJ
Better teammate: Bron
Leadership: MJ
Heart: MJ

MJ takes the vast majority of these categories, handily.

With that said, LeBron is easily the best player IMO since MJ retired (yes, better than Shaq) and will probably go down as the 2nd greatest perimeter talent of all-time, and a top five player depending on how man MVPs and Rings he racks up.

His game is this basketball melting pot of greats. The way he can switch from Magic mode, to Pippen mode, to the occasional SUPER SCARY game 6 Jordan mode, once he finally learned at times he has to dominate.

I wouldn't say that Bron is a better team defender than Jordan at all. Jordan is one of the best team defenders of all time (the only guys I've seen who are even in the same league are Pippen, Kidd, and Stockton).
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Old 01-26-2013, 11:44 AM   #110
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Everyone talks about Bron and his "amazing passing"; Jordan's playmaking, when he REALLY wanted to get his guys involved, is so freaking underrated.

Guy is like a more skilled version of Lebron. Mike's arsenal was infinite - and when he picked apart a defense, he remained efficient in doing so.

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If Miami wins another title w/ Bron playing at a high level, I'd maybe entertain the idea. Then again, rings are a TEAM accomplishment so I don't know.

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Old 01-26-2013, 12:01 PM   #111
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16 Centers sucked?
Or your claim and reality have very little to do with each other?
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:19 PM   #112
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His game is this basketball melting pot of greats. The way he can switch from Magic mode, to Pippen mode, to the occasional SUPER SCARY game 6 Jordan mode, once he finally learned at times he has to dominate.

Yes, and choking 2 out of 3 finals mode.
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:34 PM   #113
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Yes, and choking 2 out of 3 finals mode.


Hello Mr. Troll!!!

Kobe and LBJ Finals Stats

Kobe Bryant: 25.4 ppg 6rpg 5apg 2spg 1bpg 3.3TOV 41% 85%FT

Lebron James: 22.5 ppg 8rpg 7apg 1spg 0.4bpg 4.4TOV 44% 76%FT
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:41 PM   #114
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Threads like this are so far off. He's barely in the top 10 right now. He needs atleast 3 more rings to be in the same sentence as Duncan and Mamba.
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:43 PM   #115
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Hello Mr. Troll!!!

Kobe and LBJ Finals Stats

Kobe Bryant: 25.4 ppg 6rpg 5apg 2spg 1bpg 3.3TOV 41% 85%FT

Lebron James: 22.5 ppg 8rpg 7apg 1spg 0.4bpg 4.4TOV 44% 76%FT

Stats don't counter whether a player choked or not. Even though the poster you were quoting was incorrect. He only has choked in 1 of 3 Finals. His first he was just straight up shut down by an elite defensive team, and he had no help. The second was definitely one of the worst chokes in the history of professional sports though.
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:51 PM   #116
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Threads like this are so far off. He's barely in the top 10 right now. He needs atleast 3 more rings to be in the same sentence as Duncan and Mamba.

It's not like Timmy is in same question as Kobe, not sure if Kobe is top 10 and Duncan is easily and there is no question LeBron lands in top 10, question is where in top 10.
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Hello Mr. Troll!!!

Kobe and LBJ Finals Stats

Kobe Bryant: 25.4 ppg 6rpg 5apg 2spg 1bpg 3.3TOV 41% 85%FT

Lebron James: 22.5 ppg 8rpg 7apg 1spg 0.4bpg 4.4TOV 44% 76%FT


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Threads like this are so far off. He's barely in the top 10 right now. He needs atleast 3 more rings to be in the same sentence as Duncan and Mamba.

Where do you currently have him ranked? Right now all-time I'd say he's in the same tier as Moses/West/Oscar/Dr. J/KG
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Old 01-26-2013, 12:59 PM   #119
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The best player means most impactful player. If you are impactful then you must produce the wins or eventually the rings. So no, lebron is too far from jordan, magic. And theres more to basketball than just stats. It also considers fit. Jordan, magic produces impact while not diminishing the impact of his teammates. While lebron on the other hand reduces his teammates impact. He may produce the biggest impact in the league but if you subtract it with the reduced impact caused by him, the net impact he produces is not as great as people make it seem to be.



Lebron came straight out of high school and elevated a 17 win team to 35 wins; Jordan came out of UNC and elevated a 27 win team to only 38 wins. The only losing season Lebron has ever had was his first year when he was fresh out of high school; Jordan recorded 5 losing seasons. Lebron reached the finals with scrubs in 2007 yet he had no impact? Cleveland has been a joke since Lebron left.

Jordan's impact on teammates? The year after he retired the first time most players who were on both the 1993 and 1994 teams saw their field goal percentages improve.

If Jordan is who you consider your GOAT, well, let's compare Lebron and Jordan through age 27 (it wouldn't be fair to include this season since we don't know if Lebron will win another ring or MVP yet).

Rings: Lebron 1, Jordan 1
NBA finals: Lebron 3, Jordan 1
MVP's: Lebron 3, Jordan 2
DPOY: Jordan 1, Lebron 0
All-NBA first team: Lebron 7, Jordan 5
Losing records: Jordan 3, Lebron 1
Best record in the NBA: Lebron 2, Jordan 0

Lebron definitely is on pace to surpass MJ. Whether that is sustainable is a question only time can tell but the notion that comparing them is absurd is itself absurd since Lebron at this point is ahead of where Jordan was. Lebron could have 4 MVP's and 2 championships by the age of 28.

Keep in mind Jordan achieved no accolades when he was 30
and 31. Unless Lebron too decides to bail on his team a month before the regular season, Lebron will have two years of his prime to achieve important things that Jordan lacked the motivation to do. Lebron could have something like 4-5 MVP's and 2-3 rings by the time he is 31.

Some may point out Lebron entered the league at 19 while Jordan did so at 21 and therefore Lebron has an extra two years so comparing them at age 27 is unfair. I disagree. First, the extra two years only help Lebron in terms of career statistical totals. It doesn't help him in terms of accolades. All he did in his first two seasons was make the all-NBA second team once.

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Old 01-26-2013, 01:15 PM   #120
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Oh look, it's the Jordan hater Roundball Rock - say hi, everyone!

lol @ comparing them by age when Lebron has had 3 more seasons than MJ to accomplish what he did through the same age. 2 years plus the basically full season MJ missed in '86.

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And, you know, get acclimated to playing at the NBA level.

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