Re: Flacco deserves something close to max dollars.
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Originally Posted by Legend of Josh
You make it sound like he's Tony Romo epic fail after epic fail in big games. Here's the truth of the matter, he's only been in the league five seasons, all five seasons he's made the playoffs.
He's had a topnotch defense that just doesn't give up many points until this season. It's not just the defense, but he's also had a nice running game, too. He's had a good OL that gives him all day to throw in some games, but he's not good at avoiding sacks.
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He's a winning quarterback. Winner is big games, big moments, etc. Maybe he's just one lucky as hell son of a bit*h, IDK anymore.
If he's such a big winner, then why no SB appearances?
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but he's better and more consistent that Eli and IMO > Big Ben.
But, he's not that consistent. I'm not yet convinced by him and I'm certainly not ready to put him ahead of Eli and Ben.
Re: Flacco deserves something close to max dollars.
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Originally Posted by Legend of Josh
What do you mean how do I know? Look at the success of the Ravens since he's been under center. Like I keep admitting, give the defense the majority of the credit, and their true offensive powerhouse is Ray Rice, but you don't just win that many post season games, make two AFC title games in less than five years, etc without being a damn good football player, who finds ways to "win" - that's how we know.
Would Flacco be less successful on another team? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe he'd be better (I'm not saying probable, just possible; he plays for the Ravens, and not another team so there's no point in even trying to discuss that. Let's just judge him for what he's done in Baltimore).
You keep talking about stats... like total TD, total yards, QBR, but any head coach, GM or owner doesn't really care about all that bullshit if you're winning games. Winning is what matters, but nerds like you swear by stats and seemingly ignore the bottom line, which is wins... not "OMG, Flacco will never have a 5k yard season; he'll never throw 35 TDs, he's just not any good!"
You talked about Flacco being the "good" and "bad" version... and yeah well, you can sure as hell make that argument for the inconsistent Eli Manning, and to a lesser extent, Big Ben. Let's not pretend Flacco is the only enigmatic QB out there.
In one of his playoff wins he completed 9 out of 3 balls for 135 yards. And he won. On the Road.
He completed 4 balls for 34 yards and tossed an int against NE Pats and still won. ON THE ROAD.
You sure do give a lot of credit to Flacco, calling him a "winner," yet he hasn't even made the superbowl, much less win a superbowl.
How does that work again? Winners find a way to win, your words not mine...so why then, has he ended each year of his career with a loss and not a superbowl victory? How can he outplay Tom Brady last year, some would say severely outplaying him....yet he lost.
Could it be.....there are 51 other active players and numerous coaches that contribute heavily to wins and loses? Noooo, that couldn't be it. Joe is a winner! He finds a way to win....yet has no titles.
BTW, I never said there wasn't a good and bad Eli, but you're the one saying Flacco "is better and more consistent," which is just patently false.
Re: Flacco deserves something close to max dollars.
I've defended Flacco but he's nowhere near Eli or Ben. I watch almost all the Ravens game and I'll say right now that he makes Eli look like a consistently great QB. You never know what you're gonna get from him. Ben? He's the best of the 3 IMO
Re: Flacco deserves something close to max dollars.
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Originally Posted by Carbine
In one of his playoff wins he completed 9 out of 3 balls for 135 yards. And he won. On the Road.
He completed 4 balls for 34 yards and tossed an int against NE Pats and still won. ON THE ROAD.
You sure do give a lot of credit to Flacco, calling him a "winner," yet he hasn't even made the superbowl, much less win a superbowl.
How does that work again? Winners find a way to win, your words not mine...so why then, has he ended each year of his career with a loss and not a superbowl victory? How can he outplay Tom Brady last year, some would say severely outplaying him....yet he lost.
Could it be.....there are 51 other active players and numerous coaches that contribute heavily to wins and loses? Noooo, that couldn't be it. Joe is a winner! He finds a way to win....yet has no titles.
BTW, I never said there wasn't a good and bad Eli, but you're the one saying Flacco "is better and more consistent," which is just patently false.
Big Ben is way more consistent than both.
Get your facts straight.
You keep asking the question why hasn't he won or even made a SuperBowl. He's only been in the league five seasons. However. he's always made the playoffs and every season his team wins at least one playoff game. Winning the SuperBowl is obviously most ideal and every team's ultimate goal, but you take a QB who's only been in the league five seasons and already has 7 playoff wins and two conference title games... realistically, any coach/owner/team would be happy with that and think it's one hell of an accomplishment.
You pretend like every team wins 100% of the time and the Ravens come up short. Your logic comes up short.
Hey wise guy, how many seasons did it take Peyton to reach a SuperBowl, huh? Answer me that. Oops, that simple reality just derailed your entire stance/logic/arguments in this thread. You pretty much have been owning yourself since we all know how high you hold Peyton (and rightfully so, he's one of the all-time greats, and yes I know Flacco will probably never get a whiff of any of that individual legendary status, but it's quite possible he'll win more SuperBowls they your boy Peyton.
All that's OK though, because throwing 5k a season, 35 TD and QBR of 95+ all > # of SB wins.
Re: Flacco deserves something close to max dollars.
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Originally Posted by Carbine
Flacco is being reported to get around 17 million per year on his next contract.
Brees got 20 million, for comparison.
Peyton 19 million per year with lots of health kickers included in contract.
Brady 18 million per year, signed in 2010.
I think 17 is fair. Flacco isn't in the class of QB's you mentioned, even though I personally feel Brees is overrated (not by much) like you feel Flacco is overrated.
Let me ask you this. Who do you feel should be paid more; Michael Vick or Joe Flacco?
Re: Flacco deserves something close to max dollars.
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Originally Posted by Legend of Josh
I think 17 is fair. Flacco isn't in the class of QB's you mentioned, even though I personally feel Brees is overrated (not by much) like you feel Flacco is overrated.
Let me ask you this. Who do you feel should be paid more; Michael Vick or Joe Flacco?
Re: Flacco deserves something close to max dollars.
Flacco is a mediocre quarterback benefiting from the NFL's one and done playoff format that leads to those occasional years where you have two scrub quarterbacks in Super Bowl. It's one of those Trent Dilfer/Brad Johnson winning the Super Bowl as a fluke years.
Flacco will go back to being nothing next year and so will the Ravens. Fully expect the Broncos/Packers/Patriots/Saints to be back on top next year.
Re: Flacco deserves something close to max dollars.
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Originally Posted by 2010splash
Flacco is a mediocre quarterback benefiting from the NFL's one and done playoff format that leads to those occasional years where you have two scrub quarterbacks in Super Bowl. It's one of those Trent Dilfer/Brad Johnson winning the Super Bowl as a fluke years.
Flacco will go back to being nothing next year and so will the Ravens. Fully expect the Broncos/Packers/Patriots/Saints to be back on top next year.
This is not accurate either.
Flacco is neither a mediocore quarterback or playing a Dilfer role.
Re: Flacco deserves something close to max dollars.
It's my opinion that many of you are frequent online betting junkies when it comes to the NFL, most notably, NFL playoffs, and you got burned by Flacco/Ravens in both Mile High and Foxboro.
Hell, I'll even say I questioned Baltimore's chances of getting out of the first round, much less now making the SB. They're getting hot at the right time, and have already beat IMO the (were, but no longer, Ravens obviously are) two best teams.
If Baltimore can beat Peyton and a Denver team that won what, ten straight? A New England team that doesn't lose in the post season, especially at home... yeah, I think they can spank a San Fran team that has a rookie QB and a situation where the younger brother is more emotional, but not the better man.
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