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Old 01-12-2013, 09:34 AM   #1
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Default Kobe's legacy if Lakers don't make playoffs?

With him, Howard, Nash and Gasol in same team? Man, not making the playoffs with those 4 stars in the same team is probably a bigger accomplishment than winning the championship with Shaq.
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Old 01-12-2013, 09:40 AM   #2
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agreed. would be a huuge blow
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Old 01-12-2013, 09:41 AM   #3
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Default Re: Kobe's legacy if Lakers don't make playoffs?

It would shut all the discussion of Kobe and Jordan up. And probably him being the best Laker of All-Time as well, that's still Magic and we're only going by on-court and not off-the-court contributions.

He'll take a dip in people's All-Time ranking too when younger superstars catches up on him; i.e. LeBron, who's already at his footsteps.

It doesn't take away what he accomplished in his career though. It's one of the more controversial legacies in NBA history so he'll be talked about for decades.
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Default Re: Kobe's legacy if Lakers don't make playoffs?

Well, the stans would fall back on the "it's his 17th year" excuse and would claim a prime Kobe would push this team into the postseason by anchoring a stronger team defense.

Even though his stats are prime-esque,
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Old 01-12-2013, 09:42 AM   #5
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Default Re: Kobe's legacy if Lakers don't make playoffs?

Hurts his legacy. Probably not much since Kobe was never a first fiddle in the first place. Kobe's legacy has been built largely through longevity alone. It doesn't take away from his achievement of performing at this level in his 17th season.

He has been carried to multiple championships on the backs of his bigs. Now that his front line this year is not as great as the Shaq/Prime Gasol years, Lakers success is suffering.

Just looking at Kobe's shooting stats after his bigs went down

Kobe has been constantly ranked as a top 4-10 player, I personally think he is around top 15-20.

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Old 01-12-2013, 09:44 AM   #6
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Default Re: Kobe's legacy if Lakers don't make playoffs?

I think his legacy is pretty safe with the 5 rings and more than a dozen years of great play. This extremely disappointing season doesn't erase those years and rings. Besides, I don't see why people would look at Kobe given how he's played and place the blame on him given all of the other obvious factors.
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I think his legacy is pretty safe with the 5 rings and more than a dozen years of great play. This extremely disappointing season doesn't erase those years and rings. Besides, I don't see why people would look at Kobe given how he's played and place the blame on him given all of the other obvious factors.
He takes all the credit when he wins, why not take the blame when he loses?
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Hurts his legacy. Probably not much since Kobe was never a first fiddle in the first place. Kobe's legacy has been built largely through longevity alone. It doesn't take away from his achievement of performing at this level in his 17th season.

He has been carried to multiple championships on the backs of his bigs. Now that his front line this year is not as great as the Shaq/Prime Gasol years, Lakers success is suffering.

Just looking at Kobe's shooting stats after his bigs went down

Kobe has been constantly ranked as a top 4-10 player, I personally think he is around top 15-20.

This.
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Old 01-12-2013, 09:49 AM   #9
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This.

Other things can be argued but Kobe is never at and will never be at Jordan's level.

It can be argued that LeBron's legacy is already greater than that of Kobe's.
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He takes all the credit when he wins, why not take the blame when he loses?

Why not apply credit and blame appropriately based on how he plays? Howard has been injured, used poorly, and has played below even his current potential at both ends. Gasol has also been used poorly, injured, and just terrible. Those were 2 guys who the Lakers really need. And D'Antoni is just a terrible coach. Kobe has been easily their best player and has played better than anyone could have expected. He also adjusted his game when Nash returned. The only part of his game that hasn't been very good is his defense, and that's been the case for several years now. Plus, anyone who thinks he's making the Laker defense worse by himself is kidding themselves.

Besides, he doesn't get all the credit. Most give Shaq more credit for the 3peat, and even when Kobe was the clear cut best player and putting up amazing playoff runs, some still discredit him because of his frontcourt.
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Why not apply credit and blame appropriately based on how he plays? Howard has been injured, used poorly, and has played below even his current potential at both ends. Gasol has also been used poorly, injured, and just terrible. Those were 2 guys who the Lakers really need. And D'Antoni is just a terrible coach. Kobe has been easily their best player and has played better than anyone could have expected. He also adjusted his game when Nash returned. The only part of his game that hasn't been very good is his defense, and that's been the case for several years now. Plus, anyone who thinks he's making the Laker defense worse by himself is kidding themselves.

Wait so Kobe's poor defense doesn't really make Lakers defense worse?

Wait so Lakers record is due to Gasol/Howard? Because Kobe is putting up solid stats?

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Default Re: Kobe's legacy if Lakers don't make playoffs?

kobe got all he could ask for with this team. he's just as much at fault as anyone. maybe the most of them all beacuse he's the leader and go to scorer

a top10 alltime player shouldnt miss the playoffs in their prime
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Wait so Kobe's poor defense doesn't make Lakers defense?

Wait so Lakers record is due to Gasol/Howard? Because Kobe is putting up solid stats?

I never said that Kobe playing better defense wouldn't help. I just said that he's not the main reason. The primary reason is D'Antoni and a team full of old, slower players who as a whole aren't playing up to their potential defensively, Kobe included, but he's one of many. They'd still suck defensively with any other shooting guard. Hell, they sucked defensively even with a top shot blocker and rebounder. And if Kobe did play harder defensively, it'd likely take away from his offense. It's not just Kobe who does this. Most superstar offensive players do. Kobe has had to put up 30/5/5 and he's played 39 mpg at 34 years old in his 17th season. Expecting him to do much more would be crazy.

And yes, Howard and especially Gasol have performed far below what was expected. Kobe has exceeded expectations.
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Why not apply credit and blame appropriately based on how he plays? Howard has been injured, used poorly, and has played below even his current potential at both ends. Gasol has also been used poorly, injured, and just terrible. Those were 2 guys who the Lakers really need. And D'Antoni is just a terrible coach. Kobe has been easily their best player and has played better than anyone could have expected. He also adjusted his game when Nash returned. The only part of his game that hasn't been very good is his defense, and that's been the case for several years now. Plus, anyone who thinks he's making the Laker defense worse by himself is kidding themselves.

Besides, he doesn't get all the credit. Most give Shaq more credit for the 3peat, and even when Kobe was the clear cut best player and putting up amazing playoff runs, some still discredit him because of his frontcourt.
Only on this site though that he gets discredited. In the real world and in the media, Kobe's gotten enough credit, even more so than Gasol and at times Shaq(prob because he's not a winf player and people were looking for the new Jordan) too. Kobe was on basketball magazines with captions of "Best basketball player in the world, and he's only 22."

He has definitely gotten enough credit through out his career, which benefited a lot from his big's. His poor performances doesn't get enough criticism in my opinion. I never saw any media personnel blame him for that 2004 Finals lost. He deserves the blame as much as the Pistons deserving credit for that series win.

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I never said that Kobe playing better defense wouldn't help. I just said that he's not the main reason. The primary reason is D'Antoni and a team full of old, slower players who as a whole aren't playing up to their potential defensively.
they were horrible with Mike Brown as well.

and the celtics and mavs managed to play great defense with old players. lame exuce
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