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Old 01-28-2013, 02:04 PM   #196
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Bron was never known as the shooter Kyrie is. So not sure whats so funny. Bron made the Cavs relevant again. Guess that doesnt matter tho.

Well he's the been the best player in the world for a while now of course he did. He also wasn't playing with a bunch of rookies and scrubs, Luke Walton was the first person coming off the bench before they made the trade..
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:44 PM   #197
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Well he's the been the best player in the world for a while now of course he did. He also wasn't playing with a bunch of rookies and scrubs, Luke Walton was the first person coming off the bench before they made the trade..

Bron took a bad Cavs team to the NBA Finals. Please shut up.
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Old 01-28-2013, 02:47 PM   #198
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Bron was never known as the shooter Kyrie is. So not sure whats so funny. Bron made the Cavs relevant again. Guess that doesnt matter tho.
Still funny because a player of his level lacked the clutch genes. He made the Cavs relevant.. yet couldn't help the team the last seconds of a game
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:23 PM   #199
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Bron took a bad Cavs team to the NBA Finals. Please shut up.

if you realize you have a good defensive team and a team that can hit open jumpers with 1 superstar can succeed in the east. Examples Roses bulls, Dwight Magic etc. Not very surprising. Its not very rare. Kyrie has one of the worst defensive teams and most people on his team miss open 5 footers, seriously think about it. Rose and Dwight both were successful because they had a team built around them with defense and shooters same as LeBron. Obviously they aren't as talented as LeBron but you brought up team success.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:38 PM   #200
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if you realize you have a good defensive team and a team that can hit open jumpers with 1 superstar can succeed in the east. Examples Roses bulls, Dwight Magic etc. Not very surprising. Its not very rare. Kyrie has one of the worst defensive teams and most people on his team miss open 5 footers, seriously think about it. Rose and Dwight both were successful because they had a team built around them with defense and shooters same as LeBron. Obviously they aren't as talented as LeBron but you brought up team success.

What again? Cavs were a joke until your franchise was lucky to land the guy. He impacted that franchise on the court as well as the city. How many winning seasons did you witness under Bron? How many 60 and more win seasons? How often did you see the playoffs? How about the NBA Finals?

You guys kill me taking shots at Bron for no reason. Its like you forget he made you feel good to engage in f*cking bball discussions involving your team. Felt good didnt it to argue your team had a chance to win a title or two huh? Best thing to happen to that franchise in years.

And please that NBA Finals team Bron carried to the NBA Finals has to be the weakest supporting cast in NBA Finals history. This coming from a Sixers fan that watched AI carry the Sixers in 2001. Bron supporting cast was weaker. And there you go trying to spin it as nothing surprising, that big of a deal.

First everyone knows its easier to build around a big man in the middle. Using Dwight Howard is weaksauce. So that argument isnt valid here. Second Derrick Rose had Noah, Boozer, Deng three productive players. In comparison to Big Z, Gooden, Hughes, Sasha Pav. Who helped taking some of the scoring duties off Bron? Get real. Big Z avg 12ppg. Wow.

Moral to the story no need to throw cheap shots at Bron.
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What again? Cavs were a joke until your franchise was lucky to land the guy. He impacted that franchise on the court as well as the city. How many winning seasons did you witness under Bron? How many 60 and more win seasons? How often did you see the playoffs? How about the NBA Finals?

You guys kill me taking shots at Bron for no reason. Its like you forget he made you feel good to engage in f*cking bball discussions involving your team. Felt good didnt it to argue your team had a chance to win a title or two huh? Best thing to happen to that franchise in years.

And please that NBA Finals team Bron carried to the NBA Finals has to be the weakest supporting cast in NBA Finals history. This coming from a Sixers fan that watched AI carry the Sixers in 2001. Bron supporting cast was weaker. And there you go trying to spin it as nothing surprising, that big of a deal.

First everyone knows its easier to build around a big man in the middle. Using Dwight Howard is weaksauce. So that argument isnt valid here. Second Derrick Rose had Noah, Boozer, Deng three productive players. In comparison to Big Z, Gooden, Hughes, Sasha Pav. Who helped taking some of the scoring duties off Bron? Get real. Big Z avg 12ppg. Wow.

Moral to the story no need to throw cheap shots at Bron.

Im not a cavs fan, you make some good points but let's be honest here the teams LeBron did play against were washed up and old or injury rattled compared to the teams that Rose went against. The East was such shit back then, the worst west playoff team probably would have came out of the east at that time.
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Old 01-28-2013, 04:56 PM   #202
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Bron took a bad Cavs team to the NBA Finals. Please shut up.
Lebron played like shit during the 07 playoffs he was basically carried by the Cavs elite defense and rebounding.
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I mean even last year think about it, No Dwight, No Rose, No Amare or Shumpert, Granger was playing on 1 knee, 2 of the best players from the East were out. Im not saying the Heat wouldn't have won but you still need to take it into account who they played against.
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Lebron played like shit during the 07 playoffs he was basically carried by the Cavs elite defense and rebounding.

The #1 defense in the league are apparently "scrubs"
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Lebron played like shit during the 07 playoffs he was basically carried by the Cavs elite defense and rebounding.

Yep, that's why he scored the Cavs last 25 points against Detroit AT the Palace in their double OT win? And that's also why he scored 48 points in that game against one of the best defenses in the league, right?. Totally carried by the Cavs defense and rebounding.
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The #1 defense in the league are apparently "scrubs"

was anchored by Lebron and had a defensive minded coach. Those guys were scrubs.
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Old 01-28-2013, 05:08 PM   #207
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I mean even last year think about it, No Dwight, No Rose, No Amare or Shumpert, Granger was playing on 1 knee, 2 of the best players from the East were out. Im not saying the Heat wouldn't have won but you still need to take it into account who they played against.
yeah i've always felt Lebrons achievements tend to get overrated like if someone else does the same thing as Lebron they won't get near the same hype.
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Old 01-28-2013, 05:12 PM   #208
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07 --> Lebron takes team to finals. Cavs have little depth at this point. I think Gibson was starting due to injury although this was arguably Gibson's best season.

08 --> Lebron gets shut down by C's. However cavs add depth this year by getting Ben Wallace, Delonte West, Joe Smith, and Wally.

09 --> 66 wins. Mo Williams added in offseason. Magic go off from behind the arc and beat cavs in 6.

10 --> 62 wins. Shaq, Moon, Parker added in offseason. Jamison added at trade deadline. Elbowgate. Delonte bangs Lebrons mom. Game 5.


His 07 team was scrubby, but not terrible. The cavs had an easy route outside of Detroit, but got manhandled by the spurs. But guys like Gibson, Pavlovic, etc, were barely getting any time the last two seasons.

I don't care what anybody says about Lebron having no talent in Cleveland, those last two teams were very good and very very deep. And yes, the cavs did have some great teams outside of the Lebron era.
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Yep, that's why he scored the Cavs last 25 points against Detroit AT the Palace in their double OT win? And that's also why he scored 48 points in that game against one of the best defenses in the league, right?. Totally carried by the Cavs defense and rebounding.
it was one game he played terrible during the rest of the playoffs he averaged 20 points per 36 with a 51 ts. He also had 12 games where he shot under 40% from the field.
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Old 01-28-2013, 05:12 PM   #210
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yeah i've always felt Lebrons achievements tend to get overrated like if someone else does the same thing as Lebron they won't get near the same hype.

Meh I think that's all the stars in general as a Laker fan Kobe does get credit for stuff he doesnt deserve like his all defensive teams etc. LeBron did have the easiest pass to the finals ever though but they did beat a hot OKC team so cant take that away.
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