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Old 01-12-2013, 10:48 PM   #31
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Yea it's so impressive to be in the Ring of Fame for an organization that has had like 15 years give or take to build a somewhat contrived legacy . Especially considering, that team was the only Ravens team to taste REAL playoff success.

Anyways, I'm really grateful I've gotten to watch all time greats like Ray amd Ed Reed Sunday after Sunday when my team couldn't provide a quality product BUT..

I'm kinda relieved to see him and his phony Man of God routine to be gone. You're such a man of God that your next job gunna mos likely be for BSPN

Way to change the world Ray Ray . Please.

Amazing player, transcendental leader, too much bullshit as a man for my taste.

Congrats on a First Ballot HOF career tho, you repped Baltimore well

So what type of recognition do they deserve then - Hall of Fame? They weren't that.

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Old 01-29-2013, 12:10 PM   #32
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You're watching a player just as good today. His name is Patrick Willis.

He's certainly the best ILB/MLB in the game today and Lewis successor in the league, though I'd say Ray was better - close but clearly - in his prime just from what I remember seeing personally. I've never really felt stats did him justice and people always say he just piles on for assists which is really just horseshit to me.

Taking their first six years in the NFL:

Patrick Willis (2007-2012)

92 Games
621 Solo Tackless
17.5 Sacks
7 Interceptions
49 Pass Defenses
14 Forced Fumbles

Ray Lewis (1996-2001)

92 Games
704 Solo Tackles
19.5 Sacks
12 Interceptions
46 Pass Defenses
3 Forced Fumbles

All in All, pretty close. You may even be inclined to say the edge here goes to Willis. So what's the kicker? Willis has recorded 21 Run Stuffs (Tackles at or behind the LOS, no way to pad). Through the same number of games, Lewis had already compiled 64.5, more than three times as many. While it's true teams run less these days, the difference isn't nearly enough to make up for that gulf in class.

For Jackass, London Fletcher is still trying to reach 60.
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Old 01-29-2013, 12:47 PM   #33
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P Willis doesnt cover TE as well as Ray Lewis did in his prime.
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Old 01-29-2013, 01:19 PM   #34
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P Willis doesnt cover TE as well as Ray Lewis did in his prime.

Yes he does. If there is a difference, it's so small that it doesn't even warrant mentioning. Willis is fantastic in coverage, probably the best ILB at it, or at least top 3....to go along with being the most consistently dominant run defender at ILB.


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Taking their first six years in the NFL:

Patrick Willis (2007-2012)

92 Games
621 Solo Tackless
17.5 Sacks
7 Interceptions
49 Pass Defenses
14 Forced Fumbles

Ray Lewis (1996-2001)

92 Games
704 Solo Tackles
19.5 Sacks
12 Interceptions
46 Pass Defenses
3 Forced Fumbles

Well, if going to compare things like linebackers stats, then we might as well add that Ray Lewis has three 1st team all-pro and two 2nd team all pro selections. Patrick has five 1st team and one 2nd team all-pro selection.

Ray has a DMVP award as well for his spectacular 2000 season.

Watching Wills now and in previous years is like watching Ray Lewis in his prime, but without all the gospel talk and the dance.

Patrick might end up having the greatest career for a MLB ever.
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Yes he does. If there is a difference, it's so small that it doesn't even warrant mentioning. Willis is fantastic in coverage, probably the best ILB at it, or at least top 3....to go along with being the most consistently dominant run defender at ILB.




Well, if going to compare things like linebackers stats, then we might as well add that Ray Lewis has three 1st team all-pro and two 2nd team all pro selections. Patrick has five 1st team and one 2nd team all-pro selection.

Ray has a DMVP award as well for his spectacular 2000 season.

Watching Wills now and in previous years is like watching Ray Lewis in his prime, but without all the gospel talk and the dance.

Patrick might end up having the greatest career for a MLB ever.

Lewis should've been an All-Pro 1st Team in each of his first three seasons:

1996: 95 solo tackles, 2.5 sacks, 15 stuffs, 5 pdef, 1 int,
1997: 156 solo tackles, 4 sacks, 8 stuffs, 10 pdef, 1 int, 1 ff
1998: 101 solo tackles, 3 sacks, 11.5 stuffs, 7 pdef, 2 int, 1 ff

Comparable seasons to any Patrick has had in the league. In terms of stats and the sort, Lewis was better off without having matured and prime great players around him apparently. He got to make all the plays. Since accomplishments are coming into it, Lewis has two DMVP's and a SB MVP. Of course, you know that and were focusing on the six years comparison -- I brought it up for the mention of greatest career.

This is the best source IMO Carb. ESPN and Yahoo are incomplete and sometimes inaccurate.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo.../players/8265/
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/foo.../players/3542/
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