I'll take your points, but I'm sorry the things you don't see maybe a set of corrective lenses will correct.....
Originally Posted by franchize
We can go on and on about this. Clearly theres a divide in what some of us see. End of the day, I made this thread, not to hate on Chandler but to illumnate why I feel he's overrarted and overpaid. We paid the guy to be this dominant defensive force and I simply don't see it. I get exasperated by hearing things every year about guys and when I watch the games I don't see it. I don't see Kidd being the main reason why we are winning. I don't see Tyson Chandler "changing the culture defensively and dominating on the defensive end." I disn't see Lin being a great long term success (evidence in Houston). I didn't see Melo being a selfish player who is only good offensively. I didn't see the Jared Jeffries being any help on this team (which is proving to be true in Portland) I don't see Pablo Prigioni "really playing well in limited minutes." I didn't see Marbury being "a team cancer". I've been watching basketball my entire life. I've played since I was 3 years old. I'm not expert but I know what I see and what I see in Tyson Chandler is NOT what we paid for.
Let's see, Tyson goes to a team and becomes a vital piece to their defense and wins a ring, then comes to our team and our defense instantly improves, then when the coaching becomes better the defense overall steps up a huge notch, but of course the players don't actually play defense, the coaches do.
But here's the thing, centers get paid, they all do, and when your center wins DPOY he absolutely EARNED his paycheck.
Only one here have i seen fans diss their own and say they don't deserve something.
Now i will adress each of your bold points.
This is how I view Chandler
Decent to pretty good defender
- (won't hurt you most games but won't dominate either)
So if this is the case, why complain about his defense? Sounds like he does his job more times than none, not that many players can say that.
- (I'm sorry but an ahtletic 7 foot center should average 10+ rebounds EVERY year.)
Tyson isn't athletic at all, and has never been described as such.
I'm quite sad that you relate rebounding to height, and really won't even go there, and i know you know better.
But take into account minutes played too, when he has played more minutes (closer to per 36) he's averaged over 10 boards, and this season he is averaging 10 boards, 2nd in offensive boards at center, so really don't see the complaint on this issue.
Would you believe your beloved Noah averages 10 boards and plays 40 minutes a game, 10 more than Tyson?
Extremely vocal on the defensive end
- (In my opinion, it's his best quality)
This makes no sense, how can a player be extremely vocal on defense, yet be average at best themselves?
Inept offensively- (Sorry but pick and roll layups and lobs don't impress me. That's coaching and point guard play. Any guy who can jump and catch can do that. There's never a point where you can give him the ball and he can go one on one, nor will he ever knock down an open mid range J. Furthermore, if you pass him the ball and there's any defense on him, he's going to miss the shot. It's almost a guarantee lol)
Very few centers can create their own shot, and most do not have a jumper at all.
Dwight is still the best in the game, doesn't have any moves around the paint other than flipping it up or dunking either, and kills you at the free throw line.
So you wouldn't take high 60's at the line from your center who doesn't have a jumper?
I do think you're refusing to acknowledge that a pick and roll score is contingent on the player who passes and the roller.....not just the passer.
Tyson is one of the best at this, and any pg can run that simple play with him.
Mediocre FT shooter
- (Not terrible like say a Dwight but not a guy I can trust)
Well I'll trust high 60's considering he isn't a focal point anyway, and usually it's a bonus point since he makes 70% of his shots without without that made free throw, and it's a good clip for a player with no jumper.
How many players do you know that hits a decent number of free throws with no jumper......name them.
Picks up silly techs and fouls when things don't go his way
All players fall in this category, ironically the leader in techs on this team is Melo, who falls into the same category you just described.
Doesn't go for many head fakes and doesn't jump unnecessarily
- (plays with his hands straight up when defending his man which is great)
This contradict your previous point.
Underachieving shot blocker
- C'mon. He's only avg over 1.5 bpg TWICE in his career. He's averaging less than a block a game.
Blocks dont indicate defense or really anything.
- He really seems to bond well with the guys.[/quote]
Why do your suppose that is? because his play inspires his teammates.
Even with your own assessment for the most part you just justified Tysons deal, but what you think you've heard is not what actually said.
Tyson is a hard worker, leader, communicator, and he does things to helps his teams win games.
His pay does not concern me, unless there was a player available that is better.