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Old 11-27-2012, 09:45 AM   #16
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His point was about playing with ball dominant players. In that case, Dwyane Wade. But beasley does have those problems, and its frustrating as a fan. Even if he kept playing shit defense atleast dont get so shook once you miss a couple shots.

Beasley best seasons imo were with the Heat he actually got to play in the playoffs while being a solid contributor, he had 1 season in Minny where he played statistically his best ball and has fallen off badly since.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:46 AM   #17
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:50 AM   #18
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It's not like he was a rookie or something. Why is it he suddenly blossom into an Allstar the exact same year Lebron left, and now 1 year without Lebron, he is straight balling?


He goes into double digit in scoring and rebound AFTER Lebron left.

Also, let's look at guys like Wade, Bosh. Did Lebron make them better? Hell, Wade had a very good career as a top 3 player in the league when Lebron joined and what happened to him now? Bosh was his franchise's leader for 7 years, as soon as he leaves to Miami he is simply an star forward who gets disrespected

Look at all the clues here, guys. Why are all Lebron teams just a one-man team, consisting of him doing everything? Fact: Lebron doesn't make anyone better, he makes his stats look better, that's all.

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Old 11-27-2012, 09:54 AM   #19
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Beasley best seasons imo were with the Heat he actually got to play in the playoffs while being a solid contributor, he had 1 season in Minny where he played statistically his best ball and has fallen off badly since.
Honestly he hasn't really looked good period in the NBA. He was most confident during his first season in minny due to having the green light and being a big part of that team. Injuries unfortunately derailed that good season but he showed the most flashed of brilliance then. In miami he looked like a mental midget. It didnt help that spoelstra had a tendency to pull him when he was getting hot, just so he can stick to his rotation. In the playoffs he barely contributed in either series and if he cant score, he doesnt contribute much else. What he needs to do is really work on mixing up his offensive moves and get better at what hes good at. He's easy to shut down when he doesnt have his stroke because his moves are basically shoot a jumper or triple threat,jab, jab followed by a bad shot. If hes able to mix up his offense i can see him being a great sixthman scorer for a contender. Maybe even a solid starter on a team that can mask his defensive weaknesses.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:54 AM   #20
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Varejao is getting those numbers because he is playing more. Per 36 minutes he was double double almost every year in Cavs. Guy is playing almost 36 minutes per game this year. 10 minutes more in average than when Lebron was there.
So does this debunk the myth spread by Lebron fans that Cleveland was scrub city? ONLY now after Lebron is gone, we start recognizing talent like Varejao who is an excellent rebounder and player.

Cavs back then had all-star talents like Varejao, and a lot of shooters and defensive player who fit the team well.
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Default Re: Does Lebron really make his teammates better? Varejao?

He has always been a valueable player. I have always said he is the closest thing in the league to Dennis Rodman. Just his energy, you don't see it very often in the league. His numbers have slightly went up since Bron left but so has his playing time. He is a starter now and a top 3 option on offense. He has always been the kind of player he is though. Who knows how 2011 and 2012 would of ended with him as he had season ending injuries both years.
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So does this debunk the myth spread by Lebron fans that Cleveland was scrub city? ONLY now after Lebron is gone, we start recognizing talent like Varejao who is an excellent rebounder and player.

Cavs back then had all-star talents like Varejao, and a lot of shooters and defensive player who fit the team well.

he wasn't playing like an All Star in the playoffs.

blame LeBron on that too right?
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he wasn't playing like an All Star in the playoffs.

blame LeBron on that too right?
when he plays well = lebron made him better
when he didnt play well = "oh, blame it on lebron too right?"

win-win situation for lebron fans

if you want to give lebron credit for making his teammates better, why dont you make him shoulder the responsibility when they play like crap as well? Afterall he is the leader of the team, isn't he?
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So does this debunk the myth spread by Lebron fans that Cleveland was scrub city? ONLY now after Lebron is gone, we start recognizing talent like Varejao who is an excellent rebounder and player.

Cavs back then had all-star talents like Varejao, and a lot of shooters and defensive player who fit the team well.
Naw, they were great... with Lebron that is. They have a ****ing 43-119 record since Lebron left. And Im repeating myself. Varejao's improvement is only due to him playing more. Nothing else. Guy averaged about 7 rpg in his 6 seasons with Lebron in about 24 mpg and since Lebron left about 11 rpg in 33 mpg. I dont see anything special about it.
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when he plays well = lebron made him better
when he didnt play well = "oh, blame it on lebron too right?"

win-win situation for lebron fans

if you want to give lebron credit for making his teammates better, why dont you make him shoulder the responsibility when they play like crap as well? Afterall he is the leader of the team, isn't he?



you didn't see Varejao pick up the pieces when LeBron was stuggling in the Finals or just stop trying or whatever in that Celtics series.

Varejao is known for rebounding and defense so what the **** does that has to do with LeBron? Should Kobe get discredit because Caron Butler put up better stats after beat traded for Kwama Brown or Wade aint shit because of Dorell Wright's stats when he was on the GSWs?
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Naw, they were great... with Lebron that is. They have a ****ing 43-119 record since Lebron left. And Im repeating myself. Varejao's improvement is only due to him playing more. Nothing else. Guy averaged about 7 rpg in his 6 seasons with Lebron in about 24 mpg and since Lebron left about 11 rpg in 33 mpg. I dont see anything special about it.
So if he is an allstar this year, we can say he has produced at all-star level all along since Lebron was there?

also, it's absolutely worthless to point out their record post-Lebron. The team was built to be around lebron, how can it work when the gear is taken out? Like 2001 Sixers without AI.

Also, the team was fundamentally different. Players were injured, some left, the coach was fired, all of that made the team different. The fact that they had a bad record had absolutely nothing to do with Lebron besides the fact that he blindsided them and they couldn't sign a star to replace the void left by him.
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It's not like he was a rookie or something. Why is it he suddenly blossom into an Allstar the exact same year Lebron left, and now 1 year without Lebron, he is straight balling?


He goes into double digit in scoring and rebound AFTER Lebron left.

Also, let's look at guys like Wade, Bosh. Did Lebron make them better? Hell, Wade had a very good career as a top 3 player in the league when Lebron joined and what happened to him now? Bosh was his franchise's leader for 7 years, as soon as he leaves to Miami he is simply an star forward who gets disrespected

Look at all the clues here, guys. Why are all Lebron teams just a one-man team, consisting of him doing everything? Fact: Lebron doesn't make anyone better, he makes his stats look better, that's all.


Another LeBrick myth exposed..
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Old 11-27-2012, 10:13 AM   #28
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So if he is an allstar this year, we can say he has produced at all-star level all along since Lebron was there?

also, it's absolutely worthless to point out their record post-Lebron. The team was built to be around lebron, how can it work when the gear is taken out? Like 2001 Sixers without AI.

Also, the team was fundamentally different. Players were injured, some left, the coach was fired, all of that made the team different. The fact that they had a bad record had absolutely nothing to do with Lebron.
So you are saying that Lebron was not so influetial, even though they had 66-16 season when he was around? Or are you saying that Lebron only by himself is worth almost 50 wins? You are losing in both cases.
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So you are saying that Lebron was not so influetial, even though they had 66-16 season when he was around? Or are you saying that Lebron only by himself is worth almost 50 wins? You are losing in both cases.
I am saying, the TEAM was good, it was built around him with talents including Varejao who haven't been recognized until recently. Lebron didn't really made his teammates better, they were already good, it just didn't seem so statistically because of the Lebron-dominant system they played in.

Most people simply give credit to Lebron as if he single handedly won 66 games and made his teammates great, which is not true.
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I am saying, the TEAM was good, it was built around him with talents including Varejao who haven't been recognized until recently. Lebron didn't really made his teammates better, they were already good, it just didn't seem so statistically because of the Lebron-dominant system they played in.

Most people simply give credit to Lebron as if he single handedly won 66 games and made his teammates great, which is not true.
Now you just dont know what are you talking about, but whatever.
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