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Old 11-27-2012, 09:17 AM   #1
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Default Does Lebron really make his teammates better? Varejao?

It's not like he was a rookie or something. Why is it he suddenly blossom into an Allstar the exact same year Lebron left, and now 1 year without Lebron, he is straight balling?


He goes into double digit in scoring and rebound AFTER Lebron left.

Also, let's look at guys like Wade, Bosh. Did Lebron make them better? Hell, Wade had a very good career as a top 3 player in the league when Lebron joined and what happened to him now? Bosh was his franchise's leader for 7 years, as soon as he leaves to Miami he is simply an star forward who gets disrespected

Look at all the clues here, guys. Why are all Lebron teams just a one-man team, consisting of him doing everything? Fact: Lebron doesn't make anyone better, he makes his stats look better, that's all.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:21 AM   #2
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It's not like he was a rookie or something. Why is it he suddenly blossom into an Allstar the exact same year Lebron left
Because over time players get better when they work on there weaknesses and are asked to do more,

He also allowed below avg players like Eric Snow (at the time he sucked), Sasha Pavlovic to be solid starters

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Bosh is having a career year shooting like 60% and Wade's been slowed down by injuries and has to do less, just cause you do less doesn't mean someone doesn't make you better.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:22 AM   #3
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Default Re: Does Lebron really make his teammates better? Varejao?

Varejao has always been extremely underrated. I see him as Joachim Noah with a better offensive game. Yes Varejao still has no midrange shot and he can look like a clumsy lummox, but at the same time I've seen Varejao do a ton of really sweet iso moves and spin moves and get his own shot on occassion. Every time he did something awesome Lebron would be given all the credit even if it was a simple entry pass. Great big man. A quality garbage man that occassionally has flashes of brilliance on offense. Every team in the league would want this guy, just not necessarily as a starter.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:22 AM   #4
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:23 AM   #5
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Default Re: Does Lebron really make his teammates better? Varejao?

ball dominating players like Lebron, Wade, Chris Paul, never make their teammates better. they reduce them to spot up shooters or backdoor cutters or fastbreak finishers.

People conflate high assist numbers with being good teammate when in reality they are completely different things.

A young player like Blake Griffin probably is hurting his development as a complete NBA player playing next to Chris Paul. Real talk

look at what happened to beasley smh

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Old 11-27-2012, 09:25 AM   #6
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It's not like he was a rookie or something. Why is it he suddenly blossom into an Allstar the exact same year Lebron left, and now 1 year without Lebron, he is straight balling?


He goes into double digit in scoring and rebound AFTER Lebron left.

Also, let's look at guys like Wade, Bosh. Did Lebron make them better? Hell, Wade had a very good career as a top 3 player in the league when Lebron joined and what happened to him now? Bosh was his franchise's leader for 7 years, as soon as he leaves to Miami he is simply an star forward who gets disrespected

Look at all the clues here, guys. Why are all Lebron teams just a one-man team, consisting of him doing everything? Fact: Lebron doesn't make anyone better, he makes his stats look better, that's all.

Wow so lebron makes his teammates worse yet he still manages to win 60 games with the cavs team, rape your celtics AND win and championship. Must be that damn good
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:28 AM   #7
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Default Re: Does Lebron really make his teammates better? Varejao?

Varejao is getting those numbers because he is playing more. Per 36 minutes he was double double almost every year in Cavs. Guy is playing almost 36 minutes per game this year. 10 minutes more in average than when Lebron was there.

And you are really expecting all three of them to have superstar numbers on one team? There is one basketball you know. Lebron's impact can be seen on players like Chalmers, Battier, Allen etc.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:31 AM   #8
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look at what happened to beasley smh

What happend hes completely lazy, has no interest in defending, hes a tweener and has not even gotten remotley better since he came into the L what happend exactly? He never played with Lebron ethier
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:33 AM   #9
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Default Re: Does Lebron really make his teammates better? Varejao?

Lebron taught Varejao well. Turned him into an all star after all these years. Finally put all the tools together that Lebron taught him.

Lebron da GOAT! Is it possible for him to get COTY as well guys? He deserves it after turning a scrub like Varejao into a decent player. GOAT player and coach.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:38 AM   #10
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Meh atleast I can one star.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:38 AM   #11
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Mad Celtics fan is obvious.

I bet that game 6 in the playoffs made rethink your life huh.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:39 AM   #12
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So, the same people that talk about how useless stats are are using stats to indicate whether or not Lebron is making his teammates better?

Of course their stats go down. If you put prime KG on a team with prime Ben Wallace (just thought of this, but it sounds f*cking awesome), are they both going to average 14 boards? If you put Stockton on a team with Magic, are they both going to average 12 assists?

A lot of stats are additive, meaning players can take stats away from each other depending on their role on the team.

Varejao is a great case of a player that has improved every year he's been in the league and now plays a much greater role on a team with less talent. Naturally, his numbers are going to increase. This doesn't mean that Lebron didn't make him a better player or that he made him worse. You could actually argue that Varejao wouldn't be playing like this if he hadn't ever played with Lebron.

Since you're a Celtics fan, I'll throw a Celtics example at you. When the Big 3 came together and their stats all decreased, did it mean that KG made Paul and Ray worse players? Or that they made him a worse player? Obviously not.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:39 AM   #13
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What happend hes completely lazy, has no interest in defending, hes a tweener and has not even gotten remotley better since he came into the L what happend exactly? He never played with Lebron ethier
His point was about playing with ball dominant players. In that case, Dwyane Wade. But beasley does have those problems, and its frustrating as a fan. Even if he kept playing shit defense atleast dont get so shook once you miss a couple shots.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:41 AM   #14
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How is it Lebron's problem what Varejao rebounds? Its not like Lebron has anything to do with Varejao's rebounding.
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:43 AM   #15
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There is one basketball you know. Lebron's impact can be seen on players like Chalmers, Battier, Allen etc.
That's right, the only ones he make better are spot up shooters.

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did you want to rep me? Don't worry bro, I can wait

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ball dominating players like Lebron, Wade, Chris Paul, never make their teammates better. they reduce them to spot up shooters or backdoor cutters or fastbreak finishers.

People conflate high assist numbers with being good teammate when in reality they are completely different things.

A young player like Blake Griffin probably is hurting his development as a complete NBA player playing next to Chris Paul. Real talk
real talk.

oh and guys I'm not a Celtics fan, no need to shiit on them here
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