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Old 11-25-2012, 10:21 PM   #16
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Default Re: on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball stat geeks

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Kobe working his voodoo to get NBA coaches to vote for him. Too bad the advanced stat brigade wasn't around to statistically validate Jordan's all defensive team selections every year.

I don't need anybody to validate. I watched both live. Kobe has been bad on defense the majority of the time for years
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:23 PM   #17
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:23 PM   #18
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Yeap and for those 13 mins he terrorised the Lakers backcourt badly at the age of like 37

Seems unlikely given the fact he had a +2 on/off court rating in a series in which his team outscored the Lakers by 45.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:25 PM   #19
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In the last 3 - 4 years Kobe has been one of the laziest perimeter defenders in the entire league. Deal with it.

Anybody who actually knows what they're watching and isn't just a hopeless dick rider knows this
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:25 PM   #20
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Seems unlikely given the fact he had a +2 on/off court rating in a series in which his team outscored the Lakers by 45.

Well i guess you didn't watch the NBA 2004 Finals
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:26 PM   #21
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Default Re: on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball stat geeks

First Team All Defensive players put it all out there 100% of the time. The Hakeem Olajuwons, David Robinson, Scottie Pippens. Kobe Bryant was always inconsistent and lazy unless it was a "big marquee game".
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First Team All Defensive players put it all out there 100% of the time. The Hakeem Olajuwons, David Robinson, Scottie Pippens. Kobe Bryant was always inconsistent and lazy unless it was a "big marquee game".

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Default Re: on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball stat geeks

Kobe doesn't play lockdown D for the most part, but he is capable of it which is not something everyone can say
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Well i guess you didn't watch the NBA 2004 Finals

I'll make sure to rewatch it again to see if 13 min a game player who at best held his opposition to as terrible of shooting percentages as he himself put up was the main reason for the teams victory.
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Default Re: on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball stat geeks

Kobe is a lazy on ball defender these days. Has been for years now.

Otherwise, I agree. That facet of defense is "unappreciated".
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First Team All Defensive players put it all out there 100% of the time. The Hakeem Olajuwons, David Robinson, Scottie Pippens. Kobe Bryant was always inconsistent and lazy unless it was a "big marquee game".

Kobe didn't win any of his awards over Hakeem, David Robinson or Scottie Pippen.
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Old 11-25-2012, 10:36 PM   #27
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I'll make sure to rewatch it again to see if 13 min a game player who at best held his opposition to as terrible of shooting percentages as he himself put up was the main reason for the teams victory.

lol where did I say any of that I said that the limited mins Linsdey played on Kobe thats the best I have seen anyone ever defend him in any period of time. That the the only time I have seen Kobe look lost and actually trying to get rid of the ball cause he couldn't do anything with it. Prince, Rip, Ben Sheed, Billups were the reason they won.

My point was the best single act of perimeter defense I have seen was Hunter on Bryant during the Finals not that Hunter was the best or that he won them the title.
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Default Re: on ball perimeter defense: the most unappreciated aspect of basketball stat geeks

It's funny to note that the biggest weakness of the Lakers is their perimeter defense. Sure, Kobe can play great perimeter defense. But honestly, and this is coming from someone who watches every Laker game, Kobe does not always put in as much effort into his perimeter defense as shown in the video, especially when there are incoming screens.
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:11 PM   #29
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It's funny to note that the biggest weakness of the Lakers is their perimeter defense. Sure, Kobe can play great perimeter defense. But honestly, and this is coming from someone who watches every Laker game, Kobe does not always put in as much effort into his perimeter defense as shown in the video, especially when there are incoming screens.

This.

I watch about 40-50 games though
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Old 11-25-2012, 11:16 PM   #30
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QBu28UwDzps

one of the greatest to ever do it. constantly disrespected. constantly overlooked. constantly underrated.

there is rarely a stat for it. it is measured by watching games. there isn't always a steal. there isn't always a block. but theres always great foot work.

the most unappreciated kind of defender. it requires more talent than a big man due to handchecking rules being 100 times more constant on the perimeter

just watch the video and understand why he has 9 first team all defensive awards. the most in nba history

Bleh, just as you can't gain much from using stats on defense, you can't gain much by watching a highlight video.
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