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Old 11-25-2012, 07:59 PM   #16
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id disagree

i think that was a valid criticism of z-bo in the past, but this year he has been passing the ball pretty well.

alongside marc, memphis has the best interior passing in the league.

I haven't seen much of the Grizz this year, so that very well may be the case.... i was saying that kinda as a generalization in comparison to Love.
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Old 11-25-2012, 07:59 PM   #17
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Klove is better than your favorite player. lol

Dude is wearing a brace on his hand and is STILL recording double-doubles. Impact? Last year (not the lockout season), Minny was 17-56 when Love played..not good obviously. BUT, consider the fact they were 0-9 in the 9 games without him. In fact, save for this season, he's missed 34 career games; the twolves are 4-30 without him.

Efficiency you say? Last season he shot 45% w/ five 3PA per game (hit at 37% clip), and 82% from the charity stripe. Wait a few games and then we'll talk. Just be patient. He'll be back.
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Old 11-25-2012, 08:01 PM   #18
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Klove is better than your favorite player. lol

Dude is wearing a brace on his hand and is STILL recording double-doubles. Impact? Last year (not the lockout season), Minny was 17-56 when Love played..not good obviously. BUT, consider the fact they were 0-9 in the games (save for this season, Love has missed 34 career games; the twolves are 4-30 w/o him).

Efficiency you say? Last season he shot 45% w/ five 3PA per game (hit at 37% clip), and 82% from the charity stripe. Wait a few games and then we'll talk. Just be patient. He'll be back.

And did he make any of his teammates better? Or play a lick of defense? What are his assist numbers? Block numbers? Also, judging by his fg%, for a big man, their not that good.

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Old 11-25-2012, 08:05 PM   #19
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I haven't seen much of the Grizz this year, so that very well may be the case.... i was saying that kinda as a generalization in comparison to Love.

your a minny fan right? how is love's passing? i remember coming out of ucla he was seen as a pretty good passer, but ive never really seen it in the nba. i dont watch many wolves' games though.
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And did he make any of his teammates better? Or play a lick of defense? What are his assist numbers? Block numbers?

Chill mija.

Check the teams W/L record without him. Of course he makes them better.

Now that he has help (assuming Rubio will be back around AS break), Minny should be a playoff team.
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And did he make any of his teammates better? Or play a lick of defense? What are his assist numbers? Block numbers? Also, judging by his fg%, for a big man, their not that good.

judging by their win-loss record with, and without him, i think we can undoubtedly say that, yes, he did make his team better, quite a lot better actually.
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Old 11-25-2012, 08:08 PM   #22
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And did he make any of his teammates better? Or play a lick of defense? What are his assist numbers? Block numbers? Also, judging by his fg%, for a big man, their not that good.
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Old 11-25-2012, 08:08 PM   #23
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Default Re: Kevin Love summary....

Basic stats?? APG??? BPG???

Haters are gonna focus on what players don't do, and homers are going to overstate what they can do.

Kevin Love is an elite rebounder with shooting range beyond the three-point range, making him a very unique player in today's NBA. Last year he added an effective step-back J, but his isolation post game is still in development.

Athletically he will never be elite and his arms won't grow any longer, so basic stats like BPG will never catch any eyes. With that being said, he's 24 years old and still has plenty to learn about man- and team-defense which is far from rare for someone of his age.

Any Wolves fan with an ounce of critical thought in their brain should know that he's far from the two-way franchise player necessary for title contention, but he's absolutely a cornerstone moving forward.

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Basic stats?? APG??? BPG???

Haters are gonna focus on what players don't do, and homers are going to overstate what they can do.

Kevin Love is an elite rebounder with shooting range beyond the three-point range, making him a very unique player in today's NBA. Last year he added an effective step-back J, but his isolation post game is still in development.

Athletically he will never be elite and his arms won't grow any longer, so basic stats like BPG will never catch any eyes. With that being said, he's 24 years old and still has plenty to learn about man- and team-defense which is far from rare for someone of his age.

Any Wolves fan with an ounce of critical thought in their brain should know that he's far from the two-way franchise player necessary for title contention, but he's absolutely a cornerstone moving forward.

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Old 11-25-2012, 08:17 PM   #25
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Also, simply blurting out stats without understanding meaning or context is just ignorant.

"FG% for a big man" is blatantly oversimplified. For a player like Love who plays the PF position one would expect his FG% to match that of other PFs.... but there are factors that could or would make it not the case.

For instance, Love takes much more three-pointers than your average PF/C. Even if he makes them at a good rate, that percentage is likely to be lower than the higher-percentage shots your average PF/C would take.... which would effectively lower his FG%.

If we're going to say he's an inefficient offensive player solely based on FG%, it should be compared to the FG% of other players that play like him, not the players at the same position.
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Old 11-25-2012, 08:20 PM   #26
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Most of his points (Outside of FTs) come from offensive rebounds and spot up jumpers. That's a big issue right there. He's not that good at creating his own shot.

Defensively he is porous. Sometimes embarassingly bad. He's slow footed and surprisingly easy to abuse in the post. He doesn't get you blocks or steals, either. Far too ground-bound.

He's a decent passer, but so what? Almost everyone in the league is a decent passer.

Remember, the stats he put up last season were on a really, really bad team, devoid of scorers and rebounders. That undoubtedly contributed to his inflated numbers. He's a borderline top 10 player, and that's probably very generous.
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Most of his points (Outside of FTs) come from offensive rebounds and spot up jumpers. That's a big issue right there. He's not that good at creating his own shot.

Defensively he is porous. Sometimes embarassingly bad. He's slow footed and surprisingly easy to abuse in the post. He doesn't get you blocks or steals, either. Far too ground-bound.

He's a decent passer, but so what? Almost everyone in the league is a decent passer.

Remember, the stats he put up last season were on a really, really bad team, devoid of scorers and rebounders. That undoubtedly contributed to his inflated numbers. He's a borderline top 10 player, and that's probably very generous.

Pretty much this.
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Another strong post, Bankshot. To say a guy that led the league in double-doubles, who's efficient from 3 and the FT line, doesn't impact your team or make them better? IDK man. Y'all need to learn the game!
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Basic stats?? APG??? BPG???

Haters are gonna focus on what players don't do, and homers are going to overstate what they can do.

Kevin Love is an elite rebounder with shooting range beyond the three-point range, making him a very unique player in today's NBA. Last year he added an effective step-back J, but his isolation post game is still in development.

Athletically he will never be elite and his arms won't grow any longer, so basic stats like BPG will never catch any eyes. With that being said, he's 24 years old and still has plenty to learn about man- and team-defense which is far from rare for someone of his age.

Any Wolves fan with an ounce of critical thought in their brain should know that he's far from the two-way franchise player necessary for title contention, but he's absolutely a cornerstone moving forward.

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My sentiments, exactly.
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Old 11-25-2012, 08:24 PM   #30
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He's a borderline top 10 player, and that's probably generous.

Again... I don't think anyone with a critically-thinking brain would suggest otherwise.

I don't know about you, but having a 24-year old Top-10 player on a young up-and-coming team is pretty awesome.

Sure he needs to improve on his isolation game on offense, and footwork and scheme understanding on defense.... but that could be said about most young players. As far as I'm concerned he's far from a finished product, and as it stands he's a unique and productive player.
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