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Old 12-09-2012, 05:23 PM   #76
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You are totally right.

Maybe, just maybe, the Clippers can get Gasol for Blake...just maybe.


LAC could get WAY more than friggin Pau for Blake.

With BG's trade value and the hype surrounding him do you not think that the Clippers could have atleast got Orlando's attention by offering BG for D12?
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:25 PM   #77
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This current Clippers team isn't winning any championships with its current roster. They've got some solid pieces and one of if not the best point guard in the entire league and they should focus on building around Chris Paul, and IMO Blake is not the guy to do it.

Grffin is a good, exciting young player but you are not going to be winning any championships with him as your second option. Griffin is not a guy you can depend on for points in the paint during crucial moments or a guy you can rely on to get his and create his own shot in the post during the playoffs. His stats are nice but they can be misleading, they are empty in a lot of aspects & Blake Griffin's sucess does not always equal Clippers sucess aswell.

Also, Blake Griffins trade value is probrably one of the highest in the league due to his outstanding popularity. The value that he actually brings to a team isn't ANYWHERE near his current market value, this would allow the Clippers to bring in an outstanding amount of pieces.

I'm sure there are a number of teams that would be willing to overpay for BG & give up a lot of talent in order to get him. He will put buts in the seats, i could see a team like Atlanta jumping all over a chance to bring in BG.

The Clippers would be better suited to bring in a guy who fits in better with CP3 & is also defensive minded. J Smoove comes to mind, and with Griffins trade value the Clippers would easily be able to attain a draft pick and some other solid role players to place around Cp3 if they were to trade Griffin.

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Old 12-09-2012, 05:34 PM   #78
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LAC could get WAY more than friggin Pau for Blake.

With BG's trade value and the hype surrounding him do you not think that the Clippers could have atleast got Orlando's attention by offering BG for D12?

That flew over your head.

Would they have? Did they? Who knows. Is it a deal I was for, yes and no. And I'm confident no team would trade someone like Blake Griffin for a guy that is a diva and on an expiring contract.

But Josh Smith and role players, really? So Caron Butler, DeAndre Jordan, Matt Barnes, Jamal Crawford, Eric Bledsoe, Ronny Turiaf and when healthy, Chauncey Billups & Grant Hill are not enough role players?

Or you said a first. Smith and CJ Wilcox for Blake is enough...how? And you expect Smith to play the four in the West with big guy tandems like Pau/Dwight & ZBo/Marc?
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:35 PM   #79
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Griffin is the most marketable player they've had since forever. He isn't going anywhere
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:37 PM   #80
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Give an example of a trade that is possible where the clippers get back more than griffin. Are you talking about a one for one , or are you talking about a borderline star and some role players? The clipps have more role players than they can handle. Unless you are talking about a star PF along with a borderline star sg or Sf in exchange for griffin, i dont see how they would get better.

ok. Take a team like the Hawks, probrably the worst fan base in the entire NBA, always empty seats in the arena, totally irrelevant to the "main stream" NBA.

J Smooth is about to leave for free agency, and they are not going anywhere with Horford as their # 1 guy.

JSmooth, Horford & Korver For BG, DJ.

Atlanta Hawks reasoning: J Smooth is likely to leave anyways, Horford is not enought to attract big name free agents next season, getting BG attracts free agents and is Guranteed to put butts in the seats. Brings in their biggest star since Nique and makes them relevant again.

LAC reasoning: Brings in arguably the best front court in the entire NBA. one of the best defensive PF's in J smooth and is just as atheltic as BG. Horford gives them a legit center.

Thats just one idea, with a guy like BG the possibilites are endless, who knows how far some team desperate for ticket sales would be willing to go in order to get Griffin.

Durant, Westbrooke, Bron, Kobe, Melo, Wade, Prolly the players that would be impossible to get, the rest of the players in the league could potentially end up in a trade for griffin if he was ever put on the block.
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:38 PM   #81
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That flew over your head.

Would they have? Did they? Who knows. Is it a deal I was for, yes and no. And I'm confident no team would trade someone like Blake Griffin for a guy that is a diva and on an expiring contract.

But Josh Smith and role players, really? So Caron Butler, DeAndre Jordan, Matt Barnes, Jamal Crawford, Eric Bledsoe, Ronny Turiaf and when healthy, Chauncey Billups & Grant Hill are not enough role players?

Or you said a first. Smith and CJ Wilcox for Blake is enough...how? And you expect Smith to play the four in the West with big guy tandems like Pau/Dwight & ZBo/Marc?

Horford, Smith, and Korver for BG & DJ. Does that not improve the team?

if you don't think it does, thats fine, we can have different opinions. I think Smooth gives you exactly what BG gives you on offense plus 10x more on defense. Also, playing with a pg like cp3 would cut down of Smith's bone headed plays.

Horford, is a obvious upgrade over DJ, Hawks would be willing to give up Horford in order to get Griffin IMO, as Griffin will sell tickets and possibly attract free agents.

Korver adds another shooter to the mix

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Old 12-09-2012, 05:40 PM   #82
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ok. Take a team like the Hawks, probrably the worst fan base in the entire NBA, always empty seats in the arena, totally irrelevant to the "main stream" NBA.

J Smooth is about to leave for free agency, and they are not going anywhere with Horford as their # 1 guy.

JSmooth, Horford & Korver For BG, DJ.

Atlanta Hawks reasoning: J Smooth is likely to leave anyways, Horford is not enought to attract big name free agents next season, getting BG attracts free agents and is Guranteed to put butts in the seats. Brings in their biggest star since Nique and makes them relevant again.

LAC reasoning: Brings in arguably the best front court in the entire NBA. one of the best defensive PF's in J smooth and is just as atheltic as BG. Horford gives them a legit center.

Thats just one idea, with a guy like BG the possibilites are endless, who knows how far some team desperate for ticket sales would be willing to go in order to get Griffin.

Durant, Westbrooke, Bron, Kobe, Melo, Wade, Prolly the players that would be impossible to get, the rest of the players in the league could potentially end up in a trade for griffin if he was ever put on the block.

Atlanta would have to throw in both of their first round picks this year, take on Butler/Hollins and give up Ivan/Pachulia for that to be considered by the Clips.

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Horford, Smith, and Korver for BG & DJ. Does that not improve the team?

if you don't think it does, thats fine, we can have different opinions. I think Smooth gives you exactly what BG gives you on offense plus 10x more on defense. Also, playing with a pg like cp3 would cut down of Smith's bone headed plays.

Horford, is a obvious upgrade over DJ, Hawks would be willing to give up Horford in order to get Griffin IMO, as Griffin will sell tickets and possibly attract free agents.

No, it does not. Korver is doo-doo and can easily be replicated by signing Michael Roll, Richie Frahm, Jason Kapono, etc. A stand alone three point shooter doesn't have much value. Eddie House is yet another name.

Smith does not give you anywhere near what Blake gives you on offense, are you kidding me? Blake's post moves have been greatly improving and his repertoire is getting bigger and bigger. His jumper is actually not bad, he just lacks confidence in taking the shots. Smith also is not a good fit with Paul as Paul likes to grind it out and I can't see Smith being as productive grinding it out in the West. Blake is scoring more points with less shots and less playing time after his atrocious start. More rebounds as well. Then consider the fact that Smith is a FREE AGENT while Blake is LOCKED IN for five more years, and Blake sells seats so he also brings in $$$$ to the franchise, something Smith really does not. Horford may also be an upgrade over Jordan, but in the West, you need size if you are going to win or have three damn good perimeter guys ala last years Thunder, which the Clippers won't have after this deal. I mean, look at some of the size and depth in the West. Pau/Dwight. Marc/Z-Bo. Favors/Kanter/Jefferson/Millsap. Even the Warriors with Lee/Bogut/Ezeli/Landry and even Biedrins. Despite athleticism, you want a 6'9 and a nicely measured 6'10 guy to compete in 7 game series' with those guys?

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Old 12-09-2012, 06:03 PM   #83
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Atlanta would have to throw in both of their first round picks this year, take on Butler/Hollins and give up Ivan/Pachulia for that to be considered by the Clips.



No, it does not. Korver is doo-doo and can easily be replicated by signing Michael Roll, Richie Frahm, Jason Kapono, etc. A stand alone three point shooter doesn't have much value. Eddie House is yet another name.

Smith does not give you anywhere near what Blake gives you on offense, are you kidding me? Blake's post moves have been greatly improving and his repertoire is getting bigger and bigger. His jumper is actually not bad, he just lacks confidence in taking the shots. Smith also is not a good fit with Paul as Paul likes to grind it out and I can't see Smith being as productive grinding it out in the West. Blake is scoring more points with less shots and less playing time after his atrocious start. More rebounds as well. Then consider the fact that Smith is a FREE AGENT while Blake is LOCKED IN for five more years, and Blake sells seats so he also brings in $$$$ to the franchise, something Smith really does not. Horford may also be an upgrade over Jordan, but in the West, you need size if you are going to win or have three damn good perimeter guys ala last years Thunder, which the Clippers won't have after this deal. I mean, look at some of the size and depth in the West. Pau/Dwight. Marc/Z-Bo. Favors/Kanter/Jefferson/Millsap. Even the Warriors with Lee/Bogut/Ezeli/Landry and even Biedrins. Despite athleticism, you want a 6'9 and a nicely measured 6'10 guy to compete in 7 game series' with those guys?

I like how you trash Kyle Korver who is averaging 10 ppg on 42% shooting from 3 and call him "doo doo" and say he can be "easily replaced" with a bunch of guys who aren't even in the league

It's also Ironic how you don't mention a damn thing about Smith's defense and how much better it is than Griffins. Also, how Horford is 10x the player that DJ is.

and enough with this "BG plays less" non sense, he plays 2 minutes less than Smith per game .

Also, Smith takes 2 more shots per game than BG, seeing as Smiths the #1 option for his team thats understandable. Smith would beneifit from playing along side CP3 just as Griffin does..

Atlanta is 12-5 with Josh Smith and Horford LEADING THE TEAM with a bunch of sub par role players.

Imagine Horford and Smith playing along side Cp3,
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:04 PM   #84
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Blake Griffin is on par with if not better defensively than Smith this year. Stop giving players merit on reputation and start actually watching the games dipshit.
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:08 PM   #85
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19 pts (7-11), 9 rebs, 4 assists, 3 steals was Blake's statline again without playing a single minute of the 4th and only playing 29 minutes. Dude is dominating and the team even stopped feeding him the ball in the 3rd and chucking jumpers.
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:08 PM   #86
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I like how you trash Kyle Korver who is averaging 10 ppg on 42% shooting from 3 and call him "doo doo" and say he can be "easily replaced" with a bunch of guys who aren't even in the league

It's also Ironic how you don't mention a damn thing about Smith's defense and how much better it is than Griffins. Also, how Horford is 10x the player that DJ is.

and enough with this "BG plays less" non sense, he plays 2 minutes less than Smith per game .

Also, Smith takes 2 more shots per game than BG, seeing as Smiths the #1 option for his team thats understandable. Smith would beneifit from playing along side CP3 just as Griffin does..

Atlanta is 12-5 with Josh Smith and Horford LEADING THE TEAM with a bunch of sub par role players.

Imagine Horford and Smith playing along side Cp3,

Korver is a stand alone shooter, as are those guys. Definitely nothing more than just filler in a trade.

Smith is a much better weak side defender, but the gap between the two when it comes to man defense isn't as big as you want to believe.

And sure, Horford is better on offense, but why ignore defense when I'd take DJ over Horford any day, in the WEST? DJ is longer and more athletic to boot.

Smith takes more shots and scores LESS is the point, flew over your head as well?

The Clippers play in the West and have had the toughest SOS to date. Atlanta plays in the East with the 17th ranked SOS to date. But that has no reflection on the records right?
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Blake Griffin is on par with if not better defensively than Smith this year. Stop giving players merit on reputation and start actually watching the games dipshit.


Josh Smith, AL Horford, Kyle Korver for Blake Griffin & DJ is a bad trade for the Clippers?

Swap Blake Griffin & DJ with Horford & Smith this year, are the Hawks still 12-5?
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Josh Smith, AL Horford, Kyle Korver for Blake Griffin & DJ is a bad trade for the Clippers?

Swap Blake Griffin & DJ with Horford & Smith this year, are the Hawks still 12-5?

I didn't say anything about the trade being bad. Obviously the combination of those 3 is better than Blake but trades aren't all about that. Contract, upside, youth etc has a TON to do with it and Blake is the next great PF and is a better fit for the team. Besides if you trade for both what do you do with 11 mill a year DJ?
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Korver is a stand alone shooter, as are those guys. Definitely nothing more than just filler in a trade.

Smith is a much better weak side defender, but the gap between the two when it comes to man defense isn't as big as you want to believe.

And sure, Horford is better on offense, but why ignore defense when I'd take DJ over Horford any day, in the WEST? DJ is longer and more athletic to boot.

Smith takes more shots and scores LESS is the point, flew over your head as well?

The Clippers play in the West and have had the toughest SOS to date. Atlanta plays in the East with the 17th ranked SOS to date. But that has no reflection on the records right?


Smith Shoots 2 more shots per game than Griffin and averages .9 less points per game.

Take away the pressure of being the #1 option and add in one or two easy buckets per game that playing with CP3 will get you, and i'm confident that Smith's production would match Griffins.

Are you going to act like if BG was the #1 option on his team and wasn't playing with a great PG that maybe just maybe he'd have to shoot a few more times per game?
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Smith Shoots 2 more shots per game than Griffin and averages .9 less points per game.

Take away the pressure of being the #1 option and add in one or two easy buckets per game that playing with CP3 will get you, and i'm confident that Smith's production would match Griffins.

Are you going to act like if BG was the #1 option on his team and wasn't playing with a great PG that maybe just maybe he'd have to shoot a few more times per game?


And what did Blake average his rookie year without a point guard like Paul and the pressure of being the #1 option?
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