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Old 11-26-2012, 11:25 AM   #61
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Default Re: The Clippers should move Blake Griffin..

If anything Blake griffin SHOULD change his game to be exactly like David West....have that automatic mid range jumper, good postgame, and add Blake's athleticism, and hes by far the best PF in the game, and it wouldnt be close.
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Old 12-09-2012, 01:33 PM   #62
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This is why it was premature. Blake Griffin is on an absolutely dominant tear the last 4 or 5 and is playing like the best PF in the game easily during this stretch having huge games in 3 freaking quarters while resting the 4th. Yesterday he had 24 points, 8 rebounds, 4 assists, 4 steals and a block in only 28 minutes (didn't play the 4th like rest of starters).

Blake Griffin actually has been the Clippers best player and highest impact player on this winning streak, more so than CP3. I've been saying it since last year this team will really hit potential only if Blake becomes the undisputed go to scorer and the offense runs through the paint. Clippers are AVERAGING about 60 points in the paint during this win streak and Blake has been murdering.
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Old 12-09-2012, 03:45 PM   #63
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Default Re: The Clippers should move Blake Griffin..

Madsen post in this one .

Blake's December numbers starting to look far more Blake like and we still haven't seen the best this year. In December so far he's put up...

22 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 3 apg and 2 spg on 62 percent shooting from the field and 55+ from midrange.

Edit: oh forgot to mention this is in 30 minutes a game which is incredible.

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Old 12-09-2012, 04:45 PM   #64
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This wasn't premature. This thread was stupid.
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:17 PM   #65
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Madsen post in this one .

Blake's December numbers starting to look far more Blake like and we still haven't seen the best this year. In December so far he's put up...

22 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 3 apg and 2 spg on 62 percent shooting from the field and 55+ from midrange.

Edit: oh forgot to mention this is in 30 minutes a game which is incredible.


The whole premise of this thread is that while Blake Griffin is a good player but his Market Value is extremly high and more valuable than Blake Griffin is himself.

Grffins trade value is almost that of a Lebron James, or Kevin Durant. Yet the value he bring to a team is nowehere close to Lebron or Durant. Thats not a knock on Grffin. A lot of teams would be willing to over pay for BG and the Clippers would more than likely be able to bring in a lot of quality pieces.

That premise still holds true.

Also, CF86 i find it funny that when BG was struggling at the begining of the season you kept saying it was a "small sample size" yet when he has a good 5 game stretch he's all of a sudden the best PF in the game..

If you don't think the Clippers could trade BG and bring in a **** ton of value than your delusional.

The Clippers could easily pull the whool over a teams eyes and get more value than they would be giving up.
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:19 PM   #66
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The whole premise of this thread is that while Blake Griffin is a good player but his Market Value is extremly high and more valuable than Blake Griffin is himself.

Grffins trade value is almost that of a Lebron James, or Kevin Durant. Yet the value he bring to a team is nowehere close to Lebron or Durant. Thats not a knock on Grffin. A lot of teams would be willing to over pay for BG and the Clippers would more than likely be able to bring in a lot of quality pieces.

That premise still holds true.

Also, CF86 i find it funny that when BG was struggling at the begining of the season you kept saying it was a "small sample size" yet when he has a good 5 game stretch he's all of a sudden the best PF in the game..

If you don't think the Clippers could trade BG and bring in a **** ton of value than your delusional.

The Clippers could easily pull the whool over a teams eyes and get more value than they would be giving up.

They wouldn't get anyone with Blake's potential.

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Old 12-09-2012, 05:29 PM   #67
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Old 12-09-2012, 05:29 PM   #68
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They wouldn't get anyone with Blake's potential.

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Depends on what you consider his potential to be. Considering how unbiased of a poster you are when it concerns BG, ii'm sure you see his potential somewhere between GOAT and GOAT..so yeah maybe they couldn't get that back

however, if we're being realistic, what's his potential? People usually overrate potential when it concerns atheltic power forwards.

As of right now, BG has declined statistically every year since his rookie year, also, regarldess of his recent season or 2, whenever you have had to sit out an entire year due to a knee injury and your a player who relys heavily on your athleticism that's a concern the farther we go down the line.

BG will need to improve his skills, which he can do, but it's not gurnateed. Look at a guy like D Wade, 5-6 years ago people thought he had unlimited potential and only needed to add a jumper to reach that next level of greatness, adding a jumper was considered "easy" and was seen as an after thought b/c "of course" he'll improve on the weak parts of his game. But here we are in 2012, Wade still doesn't have a consistent outside jumper and is noticably declining due to the loss of some of his explosiveness.

I'm not saying BG will not improve on the weak parts of his game, but it should n't be considered a given that he will.

Also, Amare is a player that BG gets compared alot to, has BG even entered Prime Amare status yet? They both had the benefit of playing with the best pg in the league.

I'm just saying, when you look at it from a perspective of someone who is neither a fan or a hater of BG it's obvious that his current market value could allow the Clippers to potentially bring in some amazing pieces.

There are teams that need to put butts in the seats that would most likely be willing to consider overhauling their team to get BG and bring some interest to their current product.

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Old 12-09-2012, 05:41 PM   #69
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This is where your idiotic thinking gets exposed. Blake HAS improved every single season of his career and if you look deeper into the numbers you'll understand it's not a decline but that the team around him is becoming more and more stacked.
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:01 PM   #70
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This is where your idiotic thinking gets exposed. Blake HAS improved every single season of his career and if you look deeper into the numbers you'll understand it's not a decline but that the team around him is becoming more and more stacked.


His efficiency rating went from 25.63 his rookie year to 23 the next year to 20 this year.


His shot from 10-15 feet out went from a 32% on 1.5 shots per game to 27% the next year on .7 shots to 42% this year on .4 shots per game..

Win share declines each year as the team continues to improve.

His rebounding numbers are declining each year. Was grabbing 9 defensive rebounds per game his rookie year, down to 7.5 last year is still at 7.3 this year.

His rookie year he was attempting almost 9 Free throw attempts per game, and hitting 64% which is pretty good for a big man who gets to the line alot.
However, the next year he got to the line less, and shot 52%

His defense has improved since his rookie year, and he's gotten better at creating his own shot. But his current trend of improvement isn't drastic enough to suggest he has the sort of GOAT potential that you and other BG fans claim that he has...

Point is, his market value is higher than what he actually brings to the court, and the Clippers could get somebody to take a lop sided deal while attaining some great pieces.

To be a legit title contender you need atleast 2 guys who can get their own in the playoffs when the defense is scheming up ways to stop them, I don't think BG is that player yet, obviously trading BG is a bad move for LAC because of the backlash from the fans and b/c of how much money he generates, i get that, but if you take away all of that stuff and simply go by what is being produced on the court,the Clippers could put themselves in immediate title contention if they brought in a player who is that kind of go to guy while not having to wait on BG's progression. Who knows what Cp3 will do this off season, does he really want to wait around 2-3 more years for BG to become that type of player that is able to be a go to guy on a championship team?

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Old 12-09-2012, 06:06 PM   #71
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:10 PM   #72
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His efficiency rating went from 25.63 his rookie year to 23 the next year to 20 this year.


His shot from 10-15 feet out went from a 32% on 1.5 shots per game to 27% the next year on .7 shots to 42% this year on .4 shots per game..

Win share declines each year as the team continues to improve.

His rebounding numbers are declining each year. Was grabbing 9 defensive rebounds per game his rookie year, down to 7.5 last year is still at 7.3 this year.

His rookie year he was attempting almost 9 Free throw attempts per game, and hitting 64% which is pretty good for a big man who gets to the line alot.
However, the next year he got to the line less, and shot 52%

His defense has improved since his rookie year, and he's gotten better at creating his own shot. But his current trend of improvement isn't drastic enough to suggest he has the sort of GOAT potential that you and other BG fans claim that he has...

Point is, his market value is higher than what he actually brings to the court, and the Clippers could get somebody to take a lop sided deal while attaining some great pieces.

He was injured and slow in the beginning. Let's wait till the end of the season when he posts the best season of his career before making stupid threads about trading perennial all stars.
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:13 PM   #73
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You are totally right.

Maybe, just maybe, the Clippers can get Gasol for Blake...just maybe.
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Old 12-09-2012, 06:17 PM   #74
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He was injured and slow in the beginning. Let's wait till the end of the season when he posts the best season of his career before making stupid threads about trading perennial all stars.

because they never get traded

do you even understand the premise at hand which we are discussing?

BG's trade value is through the roof, he could bring back more than what he is worth. He is not a go to go for a championship contender YET, and it's no gurantee CP3 stays, who knows if he wants to wait 2+ years for Blake to become that player..

and why are you ignoring that decline from last year that i brought up in my post aswell? You act like he has some type of GOAT potential, yet he declined in areas such as Free throw and Mid range shooting last year, areas which should not be declining for a player with the potential which you make him out to have.

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Old 12-09-2012, 06:17 PM   #75
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Give an example of a trade that is possible where the clippers get back more than griffin. Are you talking about a one for one , or are you talking about a borderline star and some role players? The clipps have more role players than they can handle. Unless you are talking about a star PF along with a borderline star sg or Sf in exchange for griffin, i dont see how they would get better.
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