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Old 03-19-2013, 10:19 PM   #106
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Default Re: Vote for the Top 10 Defensive Players in NBA History

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So a center that makes the average team worse at rebounding is better than a guard who improve's the average team's rebounding?

Is the purpose of a great rebounder to put up good stats or is it to help his team?

Having an above average rebounding PG is only worth it if you have at least average rebounding at every other position. The problem is, having a great rebounding PG doesn't say anything about the rebounding of the rest of the players on your team. You can have the best rebounding PG of all time, but if you have anemic rebounders at every other position, it won't make you a good rebounding team.

Good rebounding guards are such a commodity because even average rebounding bigs can be relied upon to grab like 7 boards, so this offers you a huge advantage, assuming you can get average rebounding bigs. You're definitely right on this point. Practically, you would want someone like Rondo over a 7-boards-per-game big because you can just sign an average center to grab 7 boards, but you won't find a guard like Rondo on the waiver wire.

But that's not the argument we're having. We're asking, is a below average rebounding big more impactful on the boards than an above average rebounding small?

If you make no other assumptions about the rest of the team, the big is more impactful on the boards.

Yeah, sure, maybe Rondo has more talent for boarding than Lopez does, and the only reason Brook gets more boards is because he's a foot taller, but the fact remains that he gets more boards. It doesn't matter why. You said it well in your other post, "such is life."




Anyway, the original point stemmed from Kennethgriffin's continuous "this is more impressive, so it's better" argument. Bigs are almost always more impactful on D than smalls. Yes, they have a huge, unfair advantage. Yes, I'm frankly way more impressed when someone like MJ or GP or Bowen can dominate a game defensively than when Roy Hibbert or even Mutombo do it. But that doesn't make them better defenders than the bigs (though, I'm not sure MJ and GP aren't better than Hibbert lol I'm just saying, more impressive doesn't necessarily mean better/more impactful).
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Old 03-20-2013, 09:57 PM   #107
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Lebron is a soon 7 x 1st all-defensive team player who was a runner-up for defensive player of the year and in talks for that award ever since, a guy who last year had the most 1st all-defensive team votes (even more than the guy who won the DPOY that year).... a guy who defends PG-SG-SF-PF-C like nobody else could, his defensive versatility can only be matched by Scottie Pippen in NBA history...... speaking of Pippen, he said that Lebron is the best defensive player in the NBA.... im sure what is the best defensive perimeter guy i ever seen knows slightly what he is talking about better than at least you?

No, the only one that needs to be laughed at is yourself dh11414444343439434989849888

why you neg me?
I'm only simply stating something that is potentially laughable, his defense is slightly overrated. especially that part about him defending every position...
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Old 03-21-2013, 12:14 AM   #108
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why you neg me?
I'm only simply stating something that is potentially laughable, his defense is slightly overrated. especially that part about him defending every position...

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Old 03-17-2014, 03:43 PM   #109
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I'm skipping Wilt and Russell so I can give more players shine for once.
1. Olajuwon
2. David Robinson
3. Gary Payton
4. Scottie Pippen
5. Tim Duncan
6. Patrick Ewing
7. Ben Wallace
8. Dennis Rodman
9. Michael Jordan
10. Dikembe Mutumbo

HM: Dwight Howard, Prime Kobe, Mark Eaton, Metta World Peace, Kevin Garnett, S. Moncrief, McHale, Prime Shaq,Kareem, Bruce Bowen, Marcus Camby.
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