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Old 12-03-2012, 08:16 PM   #46
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IMO it is mostly just about wins

if the Lions had 8 wins right now people would say Stafford is playing awesome with the exact same stats



I really hate how people equate Ws with the QB...it completely undermines the other 52 players on the roster, as if winning and losing is just the QB's doing and the others do nothing.

It is the most simplistic way of rating someone possible..."oh he is on a good team so that means he is GOOD!!!

Yet the first reason out of 99.9 percent of peoples mouths as to why Montana is the GOAT is he won.

No mention of he played with arguably the best talent, both players and coaches, in NFL history.

I struggle with equating QB to wins....I think over a long period of time during the regular season, say a 10 year window....a great QB should be winning a lot of games because they are the great equalizers. They can overcome their teams flaws with their greatness not everytime, but enough for them to win a lot of games over said period.

However, playoffs are a different beast. You need a great TEAM effort to win a superbowl because the level of talent you face is much higher. Their are no Jacsonvilles or Oaklands or middleing teams to play.
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Old 12-03-2012, 08:20 PM   #47
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I rank Joe #1 because of his personal performances in the post season...almost a perfect passer rating in the playoffs during a time when passer ratings were low by nature because DBs could do a lot more and it wasn't a passing league....in 4 Super Bowl games HE NEVER THREW A SINGLE INT....he was flawless

other people probably just see the 4 rings though and that is it, that is correct
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Old 12-03-2012, 11:35 PM   #48
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Yet the first reason out of 99.9 percent of peoples mouths as to why Montana is the GOAT is he won.

No mention of he played with arguably the best talent, both players and coaches, in NFL history.

I don't consider him the GOAT (you mentioned some of the reasons). People say wins, but the Niners actually had a better win % with Young.


The ROY race is still up in the air, but I of course feel RGIII should be well ahead as of now.
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RG3 broke the rookie record for rushing yards by a QB...in week 13
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RG3's gonna win it. Same # of TDs with 12 less turnovers! Plus, the Skins have a serious shot at the playoffs now
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