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Old 11-17-2012, 04:50 AM   #46
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Both were in different situations, so comparing their stats is just retarded.

They are similar-ish players though, and Kyrie could definitely reach elite PG status since he's already knocking on the door. I'd like to see him lead his team to the Playoffs though - being in the East and Central division provide him the opportunity to do just that.
He's 20 and he's playing for the team with, I believe, the youngest composite roster in the league. Realistically, this team shouldn't be competing for the playoffs for at least another year and maybe more, regardless of the conference.

The team's two best scorers are both 20, one of which is a rookie. They've got two rookies and two second year guys as four of their best six players.

Yes, completely different situations and circumstances. But, regardless of the circumstance, a point guard scoring at the rate and with the efficiency that Kyrie has so far in his career is pretty absurd... And pretty rare. Certainly worth noting in a discussion like this one.

It's not like CP3 was a poor scorer and inefficient in his first couple of seasons... He was actually a very good all-around offensive player right from the jump. That just further illustrates the rarity of Kyrie's scoring efficiency thus far in his early career.
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:01 PM   #47
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New Race to the MVP Ladder results today (week 3):

http://www.nba.com/mvp-ladder/2012-13/index.html

1. LeBron James
2. Carmelo Anthony
3. Kevin Durant
4. Chris Paul
5. Kobe Bryant
6. Zach Randolph
7. Rajon Rondo
8. Tony Parker
9. OJ Mayo
10. Jrue Holiday

Lots of changes, ups & downs for all players except Lebron who has been firmly sitting at the top 3 weeks in a row.


Who are your top MVP contenders?

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Old 11-23-2012, 01:11 PM   #48
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lol @ Chris Paul & Carmelo Anthony ahead of Kobe Bryant. Only Durant & LeBron have a case.

Also why are OJ Mayo & Jrue Holiday on this list? Are they even top 50 NBA players?
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:12 PM   #49
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lol @ Chris Paul & Carmelo Anthony ahead of Kobe Bryant. Only Durant & LeBron have a case.

This.
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:13 PM   #50
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lol @ Chris Paul & Carmelo Anthony ahead of Kobe Bryant. Only Durant & LeBron have a case.

Also why are OJ Mayo & Jrue Holiday on this list? Are they even top 50 NBA players?

Mayo deserves a mention for the way he has played so far and led them to a winning record without Dirk at least.
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:14 PM   #51
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lol @ Chris Paul & Carmelo Anthony ahead of Kobe Bryant. Only Durant & LeBron have a case.

Also why are OJ Mayo & Jrue Holiday on this list? Are they even top 50 NBA players?

Knicks' and Clippers' records > Lakers'
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:15 PM   #52
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It's still disgusting that Tim Duncan isn't ranked ahead of Parker.

He leads them in points, rebounds & blocks by wide margins..... meanwhile Parker is putting up 15/7.5 on prett sub-standard efficency.
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:21 PM   #53
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lol @ Chris Paul & Carmelo Anthony ahead of Kobe Bryant. Only Durant & LeBron have a case.

Carmelo has a case, he is playing well while he has the best team record in the NBA... Chris Paul i think should not be ahead of Durant at least tho... Kobe is playing very fine, but remember that it has to translate to winning aswell which is a very important MVP criteria (Lakers are 6-6)...

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Also why are OJ Mayo & Jrue Holiday on this list? Are they even top 50 NBA players?

OJ Mayo:

"We could qualify Mayo's spot on this list by mentioning that he has benefited greatly from a scenery change and other fortuitous bounces, including Dallas' dire need for a top-tier scorer with Dirk Nowitzki out. Or we could just give him credit for stepping up and playing like the All-Star talent many believed him to be when he was a prospect. He posted back-to-back 27-point games in a loss to the Warriors and a win over the Knicks. November has been good to Mayo, who is averaging 24.2 points on 52.6 percent shooting while playing nearly 36 minutes a night."

Jrue Holiday:

"Most folks expected another member of this team to be among the MVP chatter this season: a certain bowling big man with a peculiar haircut. But Andrew Bynum's absence has provided a window for Holiday to toss his name into the mix as one of the elite young point guards in the league. He's averaging a team-and career-best 18.4 points and 8.2 assists for the overachieving Sixers. On a team devoid of a superstar anchor, Holiday has stepped up and into that role without issue."


You dont have to be a top 10 guy to contend for those #9-#10 spots, MVP is more about who is the most impactful player in that team while it also results in team success... Besides its just spots #9-#10, many players will come and go there on the ladder, those spots are always arguable....

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Old 11-23-2012, 01:23 PM   #54
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It's still disgusting that Tim Duncan isn't ranked ahead of Parker.

He leads them in points, rebounds & blocks by wide margins..... meanwhile Parker is putting up 15/7.5 on prett sub-standard efficency.

Yes, but Parker is their leader and their closer (infact, he had plenty of gamewinning clutch shots this season), its still arguable tho indeed...
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Old 11-23-2012, 01:50 PM   #55
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Yes, but Parker is their leader and their closer (infact, he had plenty of gamewinning clutch shots this season), its still arguable tho indeed...

He's the leader in the sense of the offense is now built around him, but he's not the overall leader of the team. Tim Duncan is every bit the team leader. Pop recently said he's still the heart and sole of the team.

It's not arguable. Not if we're going off of who has played the best this year.
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kobe should be #1. carrying the lakers to wins even tho they had toughest shedule so far and playing 4v5.
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:02 PM   #57
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Carmelo ranked above Durant? What a joke
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:12 PM   #58
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Melo ahead of Durant? I know I know best player on best team etc etc but this early on in the season there's not much of a difference in records between the 9-3 Thunder and the 8-2 Knick's, and lets be honest Durant's stats are simply better than Melo's.

25/10/5 with 2 steals and a block on 50/44/89 > 24/7/2 shooting 45/33/80. I know that most people dont believe stats should have to do with it, but they should when two guys play the same position and are on comparable teams and one puts up much better stats.
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Old 11-23-2012, 02:14 PM   #59
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They are 17th in strength of schedule.
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Durant and Duncan are faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar ahead of the pack. Then Kobe, then Melo, then Wade
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