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Old 11-17-2012, 03:38 AM   #31
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In Kyries defense, he doesn't have a Blake Griffin or DeAndre to throw lobs to. Let alone the amount of talent that Paul has around him. Funny thing about an assit is, that your teammate actually has to make the bucket for it to count as an assit.

Again, people need to quit over valuing stats in the MVP race.

How well have those two played all year?

But two can play that game. Paul actually has good teammates so he doesn't need to chuck 18 shots a night in order to score 25 or else he easily could.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:45 AM   #32
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Bit early to be crowning the MVP don't you think?

More of a projection but sure
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:47 AM   #33
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How well have those two played all year?

But two can play that game. Paul actually has good teammates so he doesn't need to chuck 18 shots a night in order to score 25 or else he easily could.

Paul has never come close to 25ppg, even with terrible teammates, lets not pretend he could easily do it.

People act like scoring the ball is easy. Scorers are the best players because their job is the hardest. If everyone could do it they would.
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Paul has never come close to 25ppg, even with terrible teammates, lets not pretend he could easily do it.

People act like scoring the ball is easy. Scorers are the best players because their job is the hardest. If everyone could do it they would.
CP3 has averaged 23 PPG, and he could definitely average 25 PPG.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:51 AM   #35
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CP3 has averaged 23 PPG, and he could definitely average 25 PPG.

2.2 points away is not close. If he could, he would have.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:52 AM   #36
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2.2 points away is not close. If he could, he would have.
No, because that's not the type of player he is. He prefers to involve his teammates a lot. You don't think CP3 could shotjack his way to 25 PPG? Please.
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Old 11-17-2012, 03:55 AM   #37
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No, because that's not the type of player he is. He prefers to involve his teammates a lot. You don't think CP3 could shotjack his way to 25 PPG? Please.

That's like saying "couldn't Kyrie average 10+ assists if he passed more"? No. Hes not that type of player. Not everything is easy.
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Paul has never come close to 25ppg, even with terrible teammates, lets not pretend he could easily do it.

People act like scoring the ball is easy. Scorers are the best players because their job is the hardest. If everyone could do it they would.

He also never shot 18 times a game either. His highest is 16.1 attempts per game, hitting 50.3% of his shots for 22.8 while still dropping 11 assists a night. Give him two more shot attempts and I'm pretty damn sure he'd reach 25 at that point.
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That's like saying "couldn't Kyrie average 10+ assists if he passed more"? No. Hes not that type of player. Not everything is easy.
No, because assists are reliant on your teammates, and Kyrie's teammates suck. And Kyrie could theoretically average 10+ APG if he statpadded and played solely to average 10 APG
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No, because assists are reliant on your teammates, and Kyrie's teammates suck. And Kyrie could theoretically average 10+ APG if he statpadded and played solely to average 10 APG

So could you and I theoretically. Anything is possible in theory.

But no.
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Old 11-17-2012, 04:26 AM   #41
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Hate to interject into this fascinating discussion, but who was arguing Kyrie should be above Paul? The original post about Kyrie in this thread was about him simply being on the board... And that was my argument.

I never insinuated that he should be in front of Paul. He has been a better individual player than Brandon Jennings so far this year, though... And arguably a couple others on the original list.

Kyrie should absolutely not be better than Paul as a playmaking point guard at this stage of his career (and he's not).
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Old 11-17-2012, 04:30 AM   #42
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Kyrie should absolutely not be better than Paul as a playmaking point guard at this stage of his career (and he's not).

he isn't a better point guard, period.
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Old 11-17-2012, 04:35 AM   #43
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he isn't a better point guard, period.
He's a better natural scorer right out of the gates without a shadow of a doubt. We shouldn't be comparing CP3 and Irving right now, in real time. It's pretty stupid, since one is 20 and a couple of weeks into his second season and the other is in the prime of his career and is a seasoned eight-year pro.

No, Kyrie is not a better point guard than CP3 right now... Again, nor should he be.

He is putting up 24/7/4 on 47/87/40 at this stage of his career, though...

As compared to 17/9/4 on 44/82/35 for CP3 at the same stage.

I'll take that as the future of the franchise.
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Old 11-17-2012, 04:43 AM   #44
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Both were in different situations, so comparing their stats is just retarded.

They are similar-ish players though, and Kyrie could definitely reach elite PG status since he's already knocking on the door. I'd like to see him lead his team to the Playoffs though - being in the East and Central division provide him the opportunity to do just that.
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Old 11-17-2012, 04:44 AM   #45
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I wonder why so many people thought Kyrie was either going to be a bust or was only the number one pick by default in a "weak draft". Because he's been amazing.
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