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Old 09-21-2012, 12:20 AM   #1
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Default Why is KG considered a better defender than Duncan?

I've watched their entire careers and have always felt Duncan was a more impactful defender. Agree?
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Old 09-21-2012, 12:28 AM   #2
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Default Re: Why is KG considered a better defender than Duncan?

I always thought KG was the better defender, so no.

I'm more than positive most people consider Duncan the better defender anyways and it's something I don't agree with.

Duncan was a bit overrated defensively imo.
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Old 09-21-2012, 12:31 AM   #3
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Default Re: Why is KG considered a better defender than Duncan?

What're you talking about? I'm pretty sure the consensus is that Duncan is the better defender.

Garnett in his prime was a more versatile defender, though.
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Old 09-21-2012, 12:33 AM   #4
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Default Re: Why is KG considered a better defender than Duncan?

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What're you talking about? I'm pretty sure the consensus is that Duncan is the better defender.

Garnett in his prime was a more versatile defender, though.
This is ultimately the case.

Timmy's the better anchor and'll keep the paint in check better than Garnett, but Garnett was still a good anchor and could defend around the perimeter as well.
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Old 09-21-2012, 12:35 AM   #5
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Default Re: Why is KG considered a better defender than Duncan?

I think it's because KG was a more versatile defender. KG could check SG, SF, PF, C, and even certain PG's. I think guys like KG, Rodman, Gus Johnson, Bron, and Cliff Robinson come the closest to being able to check all five positions. What makes KG unique is the fact he's 7'0.

In terms of post defense, Duncan is the superior player, in my mind the best PF of all time in that regard. Post defenders are arguably the most valuable kind of defender along with the defenders who can check 3-5 different positions. U can build your defense around a guy like Duncan or KG. But there is nothing like having a guy like Duncan down in the post to erase mistakes and able to guard big centers and the PF's. I actually think it's basically a tie.

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Old 09-21-2012, 01:08 AM   #6
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Default Re: Why is KG considered a better defender than Duncan?

Versatility wise, Garnett is no doubt the better of the two.

However, how do they compare on post defense? Tie? TD better?
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Old 09-21-2012, 01:50 AM   #7
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Default Re: Why is KG considered a better defender than Duncan?

I think most people realize Kevin Garnett is absolutely the better defender.


Duncan is getting credited because he's really a C, so they're looking at it from that perspective, the way he anchors and blocks shots.



And even more so because he's Duncan so that's how he's rated.
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Old 09-21-2012, 05:14 AM   #8
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Default Re: Why is KG considered a better defender than Duncan?

I thought it was pretty much consensus that KG was a better defender than Timmy
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Old 09-21-2012, 06:37 AM   #9
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Default Re: Why is KG considered a better defender than Duncan?

KG still anchors an elite defense at the age of 36. Just watch the Miami/Boston series. Whenever KG was on the floor the Celtics did a great job of keeping them out of the paint, as soon as he's taken off the floor, they'd immediately start getting to the rim at will.
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Old 09-21-2012, 07:04 AM   #10
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Default Re: Why is KG considered a better defender than Duncan?

KG is more highlighty on the defensive end and yells a lot more and makes a bigger deal of it. I've always thought they were pretty even defensively though.
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:11 AM   #11
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Default Re: Why is KG considered a better defender than Duncan?

I didn't know he was.

I've never considered KG as good of a defender as Duncan.
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Old 09-21-2012, 08:47 AM   #12
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Default Re: Why is KG considered a better defender than Duncan?

Duncan and Pippen are the two greatest defenders ever not to win DPOY. Garnett was more versatile and can really get after a guy and shut him down, but Duncan can anchor a defense and provide great man and help D down low. In my opinion, a prime Duncan offers much more defensively than Garnett, but it's definitely arguable.
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:29 AM   #13
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Default Re: Why is KG considered a better defender than Duncan?

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KG still anchors an elite defense at the age of 36. Just watch the Miami/Boston series. Whenever KG was on the floor the Celtics did a great job of keeping them out of the paint, as soon as he's taken off the floor, they'd immediately start getting to the rim at will.

Even slowed by age and bad knees, Duncan is also still impactful on defense (according to Hollinger):

TIM DUNCAN, C
Hollinger's 2012-13 Projections
PTS 18.6
REB 11.9
AST 3.1
PER 19.2
(Stats are per 40 minutes)

Scouting report
+ Low-post technician with a midrange bank shot and a variety of short hooks.
+ Has defensive value due to his smarts and very long arms, but has lost quickness.
+ Good rebounder. Smart, team-oriented player. Improved midrange shooter.

Analysis

A lighter, fresher Duncan put up the same offensive numbers, but he was able to move better defensively and showed considerably more impact at that end. Every metric indicates that Duncan was a huge factor, with Synergy stats grading Duncan well above the mean for centers. The Spurs gave up 6.2 points per 100 possessions less with him on the court, and regularized adjusted plus-minus shows him to be the league's single most impactful defensive player last season.

Offensively, Duncan moved out of the low post and into the elbow, and found it agreed with him. Not known as a shooter, he made a stellar 47.1 percent of his shots from 10-23 feet; in fact it was the post-ups that gave him more trouble, as he hit only 35.3 percent from 3-to-9 feet. Duncan somehow drew more fouls anyway, and provided the usual ancillary benefits we've come to expect: fourth in defensive rebound rate among centers, 10th in pure point rating, and sporting the third-lowest foul rate.

Duncan signed a three-year deal in the offseason and appears to be in good shape physically. On the flip side, he's 36 and his long-range shooting marks from last season seem like strong candidates to regress to their historic mean. His PER may slip a couple points as a result, but if he can provide similar impact at the defensive end, the Spurs will stay in the hunt.
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:19 AM   #14
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Default Re: Why is KG considered a better defender than Duncan?

Give me either one. I really don't think one is a noticeably better defender in the post than the other.

KG is more versatile, especially in his prime, when he would be able to guard perimeter players.
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Old 09-21-2012, 11:23 AM   #15
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Default Re: Why is KG considered a better defender than Duncan?

At his best, Duncan was never as good a defender as KG. Absolutely clear.



Not only that, but with the exception of maybe 2003/04 and maybe 2006/07 (and it's a really a stretch) Duncan's defense has not been what was from 99-03.



KG has had more great defensive seasons, has been at his level far longer, and is (with respect) clearly a better defender than Tim Duncan. If we can stop gifting Duncan every possible accolade, maybe it'd be more obvious.
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