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Old 09-22-2012, 09:30 PM   #181
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Default Re: Better Player: Scottie Pippen or John Havlicek?

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. Last time I checked, clutch game 7 play is much more important than a clutch game 6 play

It was actually game 5 no?
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Old 09-22-2012, 09:35 PM   #182
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It was actually game 5 no?
Actually it was. Just proves my point further though.
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Old 09-22-2012, 09:43 PM   #183
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LOL you are hilarious. Pippen was not the only one blocking AND this play is very controversial due to the fact that Smith was fouled AND it was game 5 and not game 7. Why do you think Havlicek's stealing the ball is one of the most iconic plays of all time - bias against Pippen, lol? And your other examples of Pippen's clutch plays - the Portland game 6 comeback, defense on Worthy - have already been disproven. Can't you judge admit you are wrong and give up?
Lol those games weren't proven wrong by anyone. We were arguing over who Jordan defended. Not Pippen.
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Old 09-22-2012, 09:46 PM   #184
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. Last time I checked, clutch game 7 play is much more important than a clutch game 6 play
Both plays were clutch. But Pippens two blocks were more difficult.
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Old 09-22-2012, 09:54 PM   #185
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You've got to be a biased clown to actually believe the bolded.
What made Hondo a better scorer? If your gonna allude to his PPG, (in 46 minutes) then I'm gonna bring up his atrocious FG%. And don't forget the pace the game was played as well.

But I'm the biased one
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Old 09-22-2012, 09:58 PM   #186
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Pretty much the same type of player, the only difference is Havlicek was arguably the best player on a championship team as he won finals mvp.
Winning a finals MVP doesn't make you the best player on the team. Tg
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Lol those games weren't proven wrong by anyone. We were arguing over who Jordan defended. Not Pippen.

Yes they were. Other posters proved that 1) Pippen's defense in 1991 finals did not change the course of the series; and 2) Pippen played well but was not THE reason Portland lost game 6 in 1992. None of the plays Pippen made in that series or for that matter any other series (except his dunk against 8-seed Washington in 97) compare to Havlicek's game winning or tying shots in playoffs. Just because you refuse to accept the proof doesn't make it untrue.

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Old 09-22-2012, 10:35 PM   #188
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Winning a finals MVP doesn't make you the best player on the team. Tg

Who was the best player in the 74 series then?
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Lol. I alluded to multiple clutch games Pippen had. Pippen stealing that ball to seal the championship in 97 is no less than when Hondo stole the ball.

And this play was more clutch

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...UZ-Ud63f71KTWg

The reason why your post is stupid is because it makes no sense. If Havlicek doesn't steal the ball it's very possible that the Celtics go on to lose that series since that was a Game 7 at that. What series saving win that would have led to the Bulls getting eliminated has Pippen ever had? When has Pippen ever had a series as good as Havlicek's 1968 or 1969 Finals series? And do you even know of 10 let alone 5 playoff games Havlickek ever had?
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Old 09-22-2012, 10:46 PM   #190
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What made Hondo a better scorer? If your gonna allude to his PPG, (in 46 minutes) then I'm gonna bring up his atrocious FG%. And don't forget the pace the game was played as well.

But I'm the biased one

Regular season 44 vs. 47% and both shot around 44% in playoffs (Pippen's is marginally higher). Havlicek shot around 10% better in free throws. AND Pippen certainly benefited from the defense being focused on Jordan. Before you bring up Pippen's 94 season (his absolute absolute prime) - check out his 43% percentage in the 94 playoffs. In 1999 playoffs - the last time he tried to carry a heave scoring burden - he shot 33%. But yes, Havlicek was not a great shooter either - which is why he doesn't make top 10 GOAT which otherwise someone with his resume could.
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Old 09-22-2012, 10:48 PM   #191
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Both plays were clutch. But Pippens two blocks were more difficult.

Lol thats why one of the plays is an iconic moment in NBA history and always makes top 10 lists of all-time clutch plays and the other play is better known for the controversy of whether Smith was fouled. I guess everyone except you is blind.
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Old 09-22-2012, 10:49 PM   #192
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The reason why your post is stupid is because it makes no sense. If Havlicek doesn't steal the ball it's very possible that the Celtics go on to lose that series since that was a Game 7 at that. What series saving win that would have led to the Bulls getting eliminated has Pippen ever had? When has Pippen ever had a series as good as Havlicek's 1968 or 1969 Finals series? And do you even know of 10 let alone 5 playoff games Havlickek ever had?

Its not just possible but probable since Philly just came back from like a 7 point deficit with 3 straight baskets an Russel just turned over the ball.
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Old 09-22-2012, 10:54 PM   #193
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Winning a finals MVP doesn't make you the best player on the team. Tg

Are you familiar with the 74 post-season?

Yea, might wanna get up on that.
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Old 09-22-2012, 11:39 PM   #194
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Both plays were clutch. But Pippens two blocks were more difficult.
I disagree. There were a hell of a lot of defenders blocking that guy, so even if Pip's block missed, someone else would have blocked him.

Hondo was the only man he had to do an incredible reach out to get that ball.
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Old 09-23-2012, 12:01 AM   #195
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Are you familiar with the 74 post-season?

Yea, might wanna get up on that.
There s a difference between being the best player on a teaam and playing the best in a series.

Was tony parker a better player than tim duncan because he won a finals mvp in 07?
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