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Old 12-19-2012, 08:42 PM   #181
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Looks like he might have gotten those pics from this article http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap100...ldschool-style

goes pretty in depth with the Vikes use of formations to help AP through the game

Great read and the comment by a user is hilarious "I cant believe I traded him early in the season. I shouldnt be allowed to play FF again!"
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Old 12-19-2012, 10:09 PM   #182
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It's one thing to lead the league in rushing, it's another to do it with over SIX YARDS PER CARRY. If he breaks the rushing record while maintaining his YPC than it'll be probably the greatest season of all time by a back.

It wouldn't be much different than Barry's '97 season and still behind LT's '06 season, Simpson's '75 season and Brown's '63 season, and there's a bunch of other arguable seasons as well.

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It wouldn't be much different than Barry's '97 season and still behind LT's '06 season, Simpson's '75 season and Brown's '63 season, and there's a bunch of other arguable seasons as well.
No, no one has done 2,000 yards at 6.3 ypc...that's his point.


Which obviously means he hit 2,000 touching the ball less than all the others...
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One little thing like that doesn't make it the greatest season of all time by a back. Sanders went over 2,000 yards and averaged 6.1 ypc and Simpson did it with an average of 6.0. Brown nearly had 1,900 yards with an average of 6.4 ypc over 14 games. If he got his average yards per game for 2 more games he would have had 2,129 yards. There's more things to consider. Hell, Spiller is over 1,000 yards while averaging 6.5 ypc.
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One little thing like that doesn't make it the greatest season of all time by a back. Sanders went over 2,000 yards and averaged 6.1 ypc and Simpson did it with an average of 6.0. Brown nearly had 1,900 yards with an average of 6.4 ypc over 14 games. If he got his average yards per game for 2 more games he would have had 2,129 yards. There's more things to consider. Hell, Spiller is over 1,000 yards while averaging 6.5 ypc.


stop whining ap is the mvp.ya dumb b.i.t.c.h u know nothing about football.stick to watching porn
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Old 12-24-2012, 05:47 PM   #186
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I think, barring a terrible game by Manning and a great one from Rodgers or Peterson breaks the record....it's Mannings MVP award.

JJ Watt has the defensive award wrapped up.
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:44 PM   #187
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Russell Wilson? Are you serious?
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Old 12-24-2012, 06:52 PM   #188
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Russell Wilson? Are you serious?
If the MVP part of this award was taken seriously Russel has been more valuable to the seahawks than peyton to denver who made it to the playoffs last year with tebow. If anything peyton should win comeback player of the year but certainly not MVP over some of these players.
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If the MVP part of this award was taken seriously Russel has been more valuable to the seahawks than peyton to denver who made it to the playoffs last year with tebow. If anything peyton should win comeback player of the year but certainly not MVP over some of these players.

Denver was a playoff team last year while having one of the easiest schedules in the league. They were only 8-8.

Playing a tougher schedule this year, Peyton has led them to a likely 13-3 record, a 5 win increase and potentially the 1st overall seed in the AFC.
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Seahawks success is all about the fact they have the best defense in the NFL.

Russell isn't nearly as valueble to the Hawks as other QBs are to their teams...MOST QBs I would say.
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If the MVP part of this award was taken seriously Russel has been more valuable to the seahawks than peyton to denver who made it to the playoffs last year with tebow. If anything peyton should win comeback player of the year but certainly not MVP over some of these players.

That is absurd. Marshawn Lynch is a heck of a lot more valuable to the Seahawks than Russel Wilson is. Add in their defense, and you've got multiple players who are more valuable to the Seahawks than Russel Wilson. So to even suggest that he's an honorable mention for the MVP of the league when he isn't even the MVP of his team seems like a ridiculous statement to me.
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Old 12-24-2012, 09:19 PM   #192
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Tom Brady had basically the same dominant defense to lean on when he was winning back to back superbowls. Russell is doing just as well in that "manage the game, make clutch plays" role as Tom was back then, if not better thus far.

He deserves a mention. He doesn't deserve to be discredited individually because he has a great defense to lean on. So did Roethlisberger when he won superbowls.

So if you're going to discredit his importance to the team you may as well discredit all superbowl winning quarterbacks before him.

Eli doesn't have two rings if he doesn't have a dominant defense in the playoffs.

His brother doesn't either.

We see how many Brady has since '04, even though he's better quarterback the last several years vs. when he won superbowls.

Drew has zero without defense.

etc, etc, etc

Not like Wilson is out there Dilfering his way to a potential superbowl. He's playing the manage the game and make clutch plays (3rd downs, end of half, 4th quarter) like Brady did for his superbowls. We don't discredit Brady, so why discredit Wilson now?
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Old 12-31-2012, 11:16 AM   #193
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So, here's how it shakes down:

I believe Peyton should be the MVP. He has everything you check for plus a great story (coming back from neck surgery on a completely new team) that it would almost be hypocritical of voters to go elsewhere.

106 QB Rating (84.1 Total QBR, second highest ever recorded)
4650 yards
37 touchdowns
#1 seed in the AFC

If you checked it over, he would get an A for every category the voters base their vote on, or at least have in the past.

Adrian Peterson:

2097 yards on 6 yards per carry
13 total touchdowns (very low for MVP running back)
2300 total yards
#6 seed in NFC


Peterson gets very high marks for the yards. It's more impressive individually than anything individually Manning has done this year. But his touchdowns are low compared to past recent RB's who won the award....and he's on a 6th seed.


With all that said, I believe Peterson will get the MVP award. His stretch run is fresh in everyones mind (what have you done for me lately) and in the end I believe the voters are going to give it to him. I'd give him the OPOY award and Manning the MVP, personally. I think that's 100% the right call to make....but voters are dumb.

Watt will win DMVP running away.
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Adrian Peterson is clearly the MVP to me.

Rush for 2100 yards on 6 ypc and carry your team with a horrible passing game & an average defense to the postseason. Manning is great, but he has an elite defense playing for him.

In 20 years very few will remember Manning's season, people will talk about Peterson's 2012 season for ages.
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Old 12-31-2012, 01:20 PM   #195
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Both AP and Peyton are equally deserving. AP literally carried his team to the playoffs after Percy Harvin went down. Not sure how AP winning MVP is simply a result of "stupid voters."
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