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Old 12-17-2012, 03:50 PM   #151
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Megatron should get it if he breaks the single season yardage. Whenever you break one of Jerry Rice' record, you're worthy.
Wait so Peterson's problem is lack of touchdowns when Calvin only has 5 touchdowns?
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:19 PM   #152
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Wait so Peterson's problem is lack of touchdowns when Calvin only has 5 touchdowns?
That was about OPOY
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:32 PM   #153
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TDs aren't an issue with AD, he has 11, and the only RB with more than that is Foster with 14

James Jones is the only WR with more than 11 as well, and he has 12
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Old 12-17-2012, 04:55 PM   #154
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They are when you're comparing him to QB's with three times as many touchdowns.

Look at the history of the MVP award the last 15 years.

'06 Tomlinson had 31 total touchdowns.

'05 Alexander had 28 total touchdowns.

'00 Faulk 26 touchdowns

'98 Davis 23 touchdowns
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:21 PM   #155
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true, none of those guys had 2k yards on 6+ YPC though...facing 9 in the box because of no passing game

Davis had Elway
Faulk had Warner and the best passing game in NFL history
Tomlinson had Rivers who was a ProBowler that year
Alexander had Hasslebeck who was also a Probowler the year he won


AD has Ponder...

Ponder threw for 131 yards yesterday lol...Peterson rushed for more yards than Ponder threw yesterday

AD IS THE VIKINGS
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If the Vikings make the playoffs i have no problem with Peterson getting MVP.
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Old 12-17-2012, 06:06 PM   #157
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He missed 4 games last year but the fact that Peyton did miss an entire year does give him the edge I think



Yea but those weren't due to the ACL. Those were nagging injuries and having him in our out of the lineup didn't matter last year since the Vikes were awful.
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Old 12-17-2012, 07:58 PM   #158
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Peterson has Christian Ponder as a QB, that's that. Should easily get the award if he breaks the record & Vikings make the playoffs.
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Old 12-17-2012, 08:15 PM   #159
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This whole argument of him having Ponder is dumb.

He had Favre (and Rice & Harvin) and probably had the worst (though still good) year of his career.

Chris Johnson '10 had Vince Young and Collins.

Jamal Lewis ran for 2000+ yards with Boller and some other scrub QB.

Earl Campbell dominated with horrible QB's.

Eric Dickerson did the same.

Jones Drew had a great year last year with terrible QB's.

Numerous other examples as well.
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I say Peterson MVP and Peyton easily wins comeback player of the year.

What Peterson is doing just after a year after suffering his injury, is off the charts. But, many people regarding Peyton (on this forum especially) said he'd never play again and if he did, he would never be the same. He can't throw. He can't take a hit. Yadda yadda yadda

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Old 12-17-2012, 08:36 PM   #161
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Carbine what Peterson did other years is irrelevant to this year.

Those other RBs must have lost out to someone more deserving, or were on bad teams.
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Carbine what Peterson did other years is irrelevant to this year.

Those other RBs must have lost out to someone more deserving, or were on bad teams.

It's relevant because Peterson is the same guy he was back when Favre when playing with them and he didn't put up great numbers. So there is literally no evidence to suggest any correlation between bad quarterbacks hampering great RB's or vice versa.
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Only 2 RBs have won it in the past 10 years, and both had up around 30 TDs and played on teams with great records (13-3 and 14-2).

Here's the records of the teams that the MVP played on over the past 20 years (all teams made the playoffs):

'11 Packers 15-1
'10 Pats 14-2
'09 Colts 14-2
'08 Colts 12-4
'07 Pats 16-0
'06 Chargers 14-2
'05 Seahawks 13-3
'04 Colts 12-4
'03 Colts/Titans 12-4/12-4
'02 Raiders 11-5
'01 Rams 14-2
'00 Rams 10-6
'99 Rams 13-3
'98 Broncos 14-2
'97 Lions/Packers 9-7/13-3
'96 Packers 13-3
'95 Packers 11-5
'94 Niners 13-3
'93 Cowboys 12-4
'92 Niners 14-2

You could compare it to Sanders in 1997, where he shared the award, but he also had much less competition (nobody really outside of Favre).

Maybe 2005, where Alexander won the award over Manning, but the Seahawks still were 13-3.

But then there's 2003, which seems a bit odd. Priest Holmes put up the numbers and was on a 13-3 team, but lost out to McNair and Manning, while both had worse records.

I don't think Faulk had the top competition in 2000, so he stood out.

Davis won in 1998 against some really steep competition. I guess Cunningham and Young were 'punished' for having 2 topnotch WRs to throw to and a pro bowl RB.

I think the voting changed in 1997. I'm not sure about the 1993 season. You could make a case for Young (too many ints?), Rice (WRs don't win), and maybe Elway (9-7 record) over Emmitt.
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This whole argument of him having Ponder is dumb.

He had Favre (and Rice & Harvin) and probably had the worst (though still good) year of his career.

Chris Johnson '10 had Vince Young and Collins.

Jamal Lewis ran for 2000+ yards with Boller and some other scrub QB.

Earl Campbell dominated with horrible QB's.

Eric Dickerson did the same.

Jones Drew had a great year last year with terrible QB's.

Numerous other examples as well.

AP is averaging more YPC than Ponder is YPA.....that's UNHEARD of.

Anyways, the DMVP "race" is over. Watt basically could do absolutely nothing the next 2 weeks and win it. He just DESTROYED the Colts this past Sunday. Hopefully he breaks the sack record in 2 weeks as well if not next week.
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It's relevant because Peterson is the same guy he was back when Favre when playing with them and he didn't put up great numbers. So there is literally no evidence to suggest any correlation between bad quarterbacks hampering great RB's or vice versa.
Do you even fcking watch football?

Are you aware the Rams had 9 in the box all last game because they have no fear of Ponder? Basically just glued the safties to AD, because of Ponder.
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