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Old 08-29-2012, 10:49 PM   #16
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Default Re: Looking Back at the 2011 NBA Finals: Why did LeBron perform so badly?

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Didn't Pauk say that Lebron was too fat early last season?
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:52 PM   #17
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He choked and Dirk played like a GOAT. No big deal, it happens.

Dirk played like a GOAT in the Finals? hmmmmm

great fourth quarters, but Wade outscored and outshot him for the series as a whole
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What?

Just messing with you. It's because of this:

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for those saying lebron needs to take over late in games ALL THE TIME thats not gonna happen when he's playing the entire games with no help dragging 260++ lbs allover the court from position PG to CENTER offensively & defensively.

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Old 08-29-2012, 10:53 PM   #19
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Wade was the best player in the 2011 NBA Finals.
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Old 08-29-2012, 10:57 PM   #20
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Not use to playing the 2nd/3rd option and was over-passive when doing so which is why Wade let Lebron be the 1st option full-time last season in 2012 instead of the 1a/1b and taking turns being the #1.

Another would be because he lost all of his confidence in his jump shot because his jump shot abandoned him in the finals. Lebron's lack of scoring variety would hurt him then but in 2012 he added scoring variety with that post-game so he practically became unstoppable and had an answer for every situation and every defense.

It is exactly why I say Lebron's best season/best version is 2012, not 2009 or 2010.

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He needed to be humbled. It was way too easy to get to the finals in 2011. That Celtics series this year really slapped some sense into him. Once he was able to tap into that again, it was easy. Not to mention the Wade/Lebron alpha dog battle was over...it's Lebron's team, with Wade now completely willing to play the bitch in the relationship.

As long as Wade knows his place, the Heat will end up with another few championships with this group.

The bolded parts...

Every team needs clearly defined roles. You can have equal leaders in terms of talking, motivation, and practice, but on the court the roles have to be defined. Last season, both Lebron and Wade were trying to alternate that role, and it backfired at the wrong time. Wade even alluded to that with several comments this season by saying that he has taken a backseat before, but Lebron had never in his b-ball career whether in high school or the NBA, played 2nd fiddle. After coming off two clutch series Lebron tried to play a role in the finals that he never played.
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Just messing with you. It's because of this:



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Yes? He was playing very often exhausted, to many minutes for to long for a speedy gonzales at 260 lbs, but that was not aimed for the Finals, only the random game in the regular season. Why should you be fat anyways because you are 260 lbs? Its muscle, i just mean that its alot of energy he has to push at such a high pace, its only scientifical / biological talk.

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Yes? He was playing very often exhausted, to many minutes for to long for a speedy gonzales at 260 lbs, but that was not aimed for the Finals, only the random game in the regular season.

Yeah. It was a joke. I was poking fun at you using his weight as an explanation for "off" games. That's it.
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Not used to playing the 2nd/3rd option and was over-passive when doing so which is why Wade let Lebron be the 1st option full-time last season in 2012 instead of the 1a/1b and taking turns being the #1.

Not to mention the Wade/Lebron alpha dog battle was over...it's Lebron's team,

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Every team needs clearly defined roles. You can have equal leaders in terms of talking, motivation, and practice, but on the court the roles have to be defined. Last season, both Lebron and Wade were trying to alternate that role, and it backfired at the wrong time. Wade even alluded to that with several comments this season by saying that he has taken a backseat before, but Lebron had never in his b-ball career whether in high school or the NBA, played 2nd fiddle. After coming off two clutch series Lebron tried to play a role in the finals that he never played.


This, thats all the happened.
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Wade was the best player in the 2011 NBA Finals.

No he wasn't. He disappeared in fourth quarters while Dirk went ape shit.
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Old 08-29-2012, 11:04 PM   #25
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Default Re: Looking Back at the 2011 NBA Finals: Why did LeBron perform so badly?

Thanks for sharing your views guys. I wasn't a LeBron fan before the Decision, so I mean him coming to my favorite team and balling was nice. But I was a little upset with him throughout the Finals. Maybe it's the Wade homer in me just upset that Wade didn't get the Finals MVP. EHH I don't know.
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No he wasn't. He disappeared in fourth quarters while Dirk went ape shit.

WHAAAAAAAAT?! Wade closed out game 1, played out of his mind in the first half of the 4th in game 2, and had like 9 of Miami's 11 last points in Game 3. I can't remember what happened in games 4, 5, and 6, but I for sure as hell know that he didn't "disappear" in the 4th.
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Shawn Marion, Deshawn Stevenson, and Jason Terry. Tough guys will throw him off as he'll be reluctant to overpower them.

Danny Granger and Kevin Durant are fake tough guys. Thabo is skilled defensively but is undersized compared to Lebron.

And then, the zone worked with Chandler being a great leader in it.
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series:

Dirk: 26.0/9.7/2.0/0.7/0.7 with 2.8 t/o on 53.7 TS% (.416 .368 .978)
Terry: 18.0/2.0/3.2/1.3/0.0 with 1.3 t/o on 60.5 TS% (.494 .393 .750)
Chandler: 9.7/8.8/0.7/1.2/1.2 with 0.5 t/o on 62.9 TS% (.594 --- .625)

Wade: 26.5/7.0/5.2/1.5/1.5 with 2.5 t/o on 61.4 TS% (.546 .304 .694)
Bosh: 18.5/7.3/1.0/0.3/0.5 with 2.2 t/o on 49.6 TS% (.413 .000 .778)
LeBron: 17.8/7.2/6.8/1.7/0.5 with 2.8 t/o on 54.1 TS% (.478 .321 .600)

4th quarters:

Dirk: 62/19/4/3/0 with 7 t/o on 68.0 TS% (18-35 2-6 24-24)
Terry: 30/3/5/3/0 with 3 t/o on 49.3 TS% (10-26 2-9 8-10)
Chandler: 8/17/1/2/2 with 1 t/o on 51.5 TS% (3-6 0-0 2-4)

Wade: 44/11/6/2/4 with 5 t/o on 65.0 TS% (16-29 4-12 8-11)
Bosh: 23/8/1/0/0 with 5 t/o on 46.5 TS% (7-19 0-1 9-13)
LeBron: 18/11/11/3/1 with 7 t/o on 40.3 TS% (7-21 1-9 3-3)
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WHAAAAAAAAT?! Wade closed out game 1, played out of his mind in the first half of the 4th in game 2, and had like 9 of Miami's 11 last points in Game 3. I can't remember what happened in games 4, 5, and 6, but I for sure as hell know that he didn't "disappear" in the 4th.

Where was he when the Mavs had that huge comeback in game 2? Or how about when he missed a crucial FT and then turned it over on the last possession in game 4? He didn't do anything note worthy in games 5 and 6 either.
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